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Rick Ray moves to 2-1 vs Ole Miss
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Awesome. With Ray now 2-1 and Stan's 21-8 record vs the bears, I think it's safe to say we pretty much own them in bball
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Originally Posted by
HailState39110
Awesome. With Ray now 2-1 and Stan's 21-8 record vs the bears, I think it's safe to say we pretty much own them in bball
I think Williams did well against them also
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I wonder what the record is I'm last 50 meetings ? 23-9 with our previous two coaches and then if you add the Richard Williams 94 and 95 teams I would think we hold a pretty nice advantage on them
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We beat that ass on a very regular basis- no doubt about it.
What's funny is we've had two of our worst teams ever against two of their best in years, and we still have a 2-1 advantage. They blow at basketball.
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I agree good win. When we switched to man to man in the final minute they didn't score whatsoever and we were able to block out and get a rebound. Ole Miss wasn't that more talented then us. We do have some deficiencies (like no consistent shooter and no depth in the post) but we do have some pieces to compete in the SEC. Sword, Ready, Ware, Borchert are great players. If we can get Thomas to gain some confidence, we have a very competitive starting five in a shitty SEC. Johnson is a very solid role player we can bring off the bench and I was hoping Bloodman and Davis would give us better minutes. Cunningham should not play any minutes whatsoever. Having Bear Wilson to put at the 4 will be huge. I think 7-9 wins should be possible in the SEC.
I disagree with C34 and Cadaver that Ole Miss is lights out more talented then us. They took advantage of our scoring drought and the fact we are not a consistently good shooting team. We need a big time go to scorer. Sword could be that but he can't hit anything on the perimeter. If he can develop a 15 foot jump shot and be a consistently better FT shooter (70%), he could be that guy. We are getting pieces. We are not as far away as some of you guys think.
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I'm not happy with where the program is right now, and we're still light years ahead of OM. That's an embarrassment of a program. they should just stop playing.
drugs, racial crap from their coach, drugs, showboating, arrest, fights, drugs, leaky gyms.
Seriously, there are 1A private schools in BFE Mississippi that have never had a rain delay for a basketball game.
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By my count, Williams went 13-11 against Ole Miss. So, it was far from the total domination under him that it became under Stans... Definitely owe Stansbury credit for that...
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Originally Posted by
engie
By my count, Williams went 13-11 against Ole Miss. So, it was far from the total domination under him that it became under Stans... Definitely owe Stansbury credit for that...
Williams took over a program that had lost to Delta State.
They also had some of their best years under Rob Evans while Williams coached
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Williams' last 2 years is what hurt his "dominance" the most... was 1-3 against them in 97 and 98. Was 4-4 against them the first 4 years before he got it rolling in 91...
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Originally Posted by
MarketingBully01
I agree good win. When we switched to man to man in the final minute they didn't score whatsoever and we were able to block out and get a rebound. Ole Miss wasn't that more talented then us. We do have some deficiencies (like no consistent shooter and no depth in the post) but we do have some pieces to compete in the SEC. Sword, Ready, Ware, Borchert are great players. If we can get Thomas to gain some confidence, we have a very competitive starting five in a shitty SEC. Johnson is a very solid role player we can bring off the bench and I was hoping Bloodman and Davis would give us better minutes. Cunningham should not play any minutes whatsoever. Having Bear Wilson to put at the 4 will be huge. I think 7-9 wins should be possible in the SEC.
I disagree with C34 and Cadaver that Ole Miss is lights out more talented then us. They took advantage of our scoring drought and the fact we are not a consistently good shooting team. We need a big time go to scorer. Sword could be that but he can't hit anything on the perimeter. If he can develop a 15 foot jump shot and be a consistently better FT shooter (70%), he could be that guy. We are getting pieces. We are not as far away as some of you guys think.
Coach and Cadaver didn't say Ole miss was "lights out more talented". Coach and Cadaver said you were nuts for saying they "are not more talented than us". And I totally stand by that, and my guess is that Coach does too.
If you don't think Ole miss had more talent on that court than us today, you're blind. However, I look at it as a positive, because even with less talent and our best player going 0-fer from the field...we beat one of their better teams with one of their best coaches. Meaning Ray out-coached the cabbie crusher yet again.
Just wanted to clear that up.
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This is not one of the Rebs better teams. Last years team was much better than this one. We have no inside presence, but while they have several big men, they all suck. They do get some blocks but not like Buckner and none of them have any inside game at all. Jarvis Summers has improved and playing really good basketball. Millinghouse is a pretty dang good little pg too. And whatever his real name is "Snoop" White is a good player that gets streaky. If the coke head had played today, Summers wouldn't have played the game he did. Instead the coke head would've taken probably 10 of his shots away from him. I really wish he'd played and we still beat them. I hate for them to even have an excuse for us beating them. But they have one now
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Originally Posted by
whosyourdawgy
This is not one of the Rebs better teams. Last years team was much better than this one. We have no inside presence, but while they have several big men, they all suck. They do get some blocks but not like Buckner and none of them have any inside game at all. Jarvis Summers has improved and playing really good basketball. Millinghouse is a pretty dang good little pg too. And whatever his real name is "Snoop" White is a good player that gets streaky. If the coke head had played today, Summers wouldn't have played the game he did. Instead the coke head would've taken probably 10 of his shots away from him. I really wish he'd played and we still beat them. I hate for them to even have an excuse for us beating them. But they have one now
True, but they don't have a history of many good teams...so this can still be one of their "better teams". Definitely not as good as last year's.
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Cadaver, this is a direct quote from C34.
"OM is so much more talented than us- the fact we are ahead is amazing"
Lights out and so much more talented then us is the same thing. You might not have said this but C34 did. My point is they are not and at best sligthly more talented then us when they have Henderson. To me, the talent level was pretty even except when we had players like Cunningham on the floor. Shit if Borchert and Thomas would have continued to hit shots we would have blown them out.
Hitting layups you get because no one blocked you out does not make you more talented then the other team. It just means we don't block out and give up a ton of second chance points. But it does say a lot that we overcame it and wound up beating them anyway. Ole Miss is not upper echelon of the SEC though.
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They are FAR more talented than us. You are kidding yourself to think otherwise. We outhustled and outgameplanned them all game.
"Not upper eschelon of the SEC"? How the hell do you define that? As of right now, they have the 6th best RPI in conference BARELY behind LSU. I'd be happy to bet you that they finish in the top half of the league. They may not be "elite" -- but they are certainly "better" than we are overall.
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Based on what Engie? Let's dig up recruiting stars on both teams. I gotta see this...
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Originally Posted by
MarketingBully01
Based on what Engie? Let's dig up recruiting stars on both teams. I gotta see this...
There is virtually no way you can possibly be this dense...
So, you think MSU currently has top 5 talent in the SEC?
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Ole Miss doesn't have top five talent. I think we have middle of the pack talent in the SEC of course the SEC sucks so it doesn't say much. We are missing a Steele and a Lewis from being a consistent middle of the pack SEC team . Aside from Kentucky and Florida, the rest of the SEC sucks tremendously. Top five talent in the SEC isn't saying much. But you still didn't answer the question regarding Ole Miss. The highest star player they have on their team is a 3 star. Ware was considered a 4 star from most publications.
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We've now won 15 out of the last 16 against Ole Miss at the Hump.
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Oh and with losing to us I doubt they are still sixth in RPI. I bet that takes a huge hit...
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