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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    There's an old drill(because I'm old), that i've seen work countless times and i've used it over and over. You have a guy stand in the box with no bat and have a guy throw pitch after pitching mixing fbs, breaking balls, changeups, etc. and have him call what kind of pitch it is and whether or not ball or strike. It can help a hitter learn the zone better and pitch recognition.
    That's a great routine to work with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
    That's a really good drill. Work it with dominate eye training, spin focus, large to small eye focus training, etc.
    Right on and it works! I guess folks would consider it low tech now, lol, but it's dang sure tried and true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by basedog View Post
    Awesome advice and coaching techniques!

    I just think Mershon will be back, $250K for the coming year to stay in college is good money. Plus he can work on his game w/o much pressure and enjoy another year of college life.
    100%! Big man on campus, making excellent money and put off having to slog around the bus leagues for a year, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    There's an old drill(because I'm old), that i've seen work countless times and i've used it over and over. You have a guy stand in the box with no bat and have a guy throw pitch after pitching mixing fbs, breaking balls, changeups, etc. and have him call what kind of pitch it is and whether or not ball or strike. It can help a hitter learn the zone better and pitch recognition.

    ETA Mershon isn't gonna get that kind of money from the Angels. If he's wise he'll take our deal and comeback and improve his draft stock for next year and cash in.

    That?s a great idea for a drill. I?m going to work that with my son some. That?s not really his weakness though.

    I?m torn on swinging at breaking balls. They are clearly very hard to hit. Like a really good slider is going to be really tough to hit when executed properly. One that doesn?t break much?.sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPMT View Post
    That?s a great idea for a drill. I?m going to work that with my son some. That?s not really his weakness though.

    I?m torn on swinging at breaking balls. They are clearly very hard to hit. Like a really good slider is going to be really tough to hit when executed properly. One that doesn?t break much?.sure.
    It's a really good drill. Even it he doesn't have that as a weakness, it'll help in learning to let the ball travel and you'll be amazed at how he learns to pickup spin when not having the pressure of hitting the baseball and it all carries over to the box when it's live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    It's a really good drill. Even it he doesn't have that as a weakness, it'll help in learning to let the ball travel and you'll be amazed at how he learns to pickup spin when not having the pressure of hitting the baseball and it all carries over to the box when it's live.
    Thanks. His weakness is getting to two strikes too easily. Watch first strike, fouls next..sitting 0-2 or 1-2. When the pitchers are better you are done in those situations. Could get away with it when younger and just hit a double or hr or something. Now, you are going to miss the 78 mph slider that some top top 14u-15u can throw on 1-2 count.

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    Angels will have money to give Mersh, it just depends on if they are willing to do it. If they are, I'd say Mersh is gone. If not, it gets interesting.

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    Hines needs the ol Bobby Wooldridge treatment of breaking poor habits this Fall

    Pull an outside pitch during BP? Bear crawl to 1st for each time it happens
    Take a called 3rd strike? Bear crawl back to the dugout
    Swing at a pitch out of the zone with no strikes? Bear crawl to the foul pole

    Doing that this Fall would force some habit changes at the plate for the Spring. It's an old school tried and true method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    This time last year I said we'd squeeze into a regional, lose it, and bring Lemo back for another bad year. I don't know if I was "brutally" wrong, but we did better than I thought and were a high 2 seed. 10 sports lower in RPI and we would have been a bubble team. I now think we'll make the tournament next year too, but I don't think we'll host.

    Ultimately, lemos in season management SUCKS. He DHs the wrong person at the wrong time, sticks with the wrong lineups for way too long, and pulls pitchers at the wrong time. He costs us a lot of games compared to our talents actual ceiling. We have to have 11 draft picks to be a 2 seed, as an example. Given that we have the NIL to poach starters from Kentucky, I worry Lemo will be kept on life support indefinitely; us always buying enough talent to just make up for Lemos bad coaching and keep him employed here

    But we'll see next year. If we host or make a super he should get '26. If we miss both of those again... that's 4 years since he'll have hit the "state standard" and bringing him back again means we are now a "field of 32" program that doesn't expect to seriously compete. I could see next year playing out either way but I highly doubt we miss the tournament entirely
    You were literally questioning why we brought Lemonis back last year. And yes you were brutally wrong. It's absolutely hilarious that you're mad because you think we're going to keep "winning so we have to keep Lemonis." Isn't that the whole point?

    I see the football mentality with some of our fans trying to understand baseball coaching is strong here. Baseball isn't like football where coaches have a ton of control into play calls and can control who gets the ball in certain situations to an extent. It's much more individualized and therefore pitching probably has more to do with the outcome than anything else. And even if you have the right people out there- there is always the chance of an off day. If a team wins 100 games in MLB that still means they lost 62. That doesn't mean Joe Torre managed the team poorly or had the wrong lineup out there. So because of the fact that talent wins games more often than not the best way for us to succeed is to bring in talent which we are doing. Whether our fans recognize it or not is another story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    It's a really good drill. Even it he doesn't have that as a weakness, it'll help in learning to let the ball travel and you'll be amazed at how he learns to pickup spin when not having the pressure of hitting the baseball and it all carries over to the box when it's live.
    I like a drill that is similar- the dot drill. Which is probably the next step in the progression. Put a blue or green dot on the ball and have the hitter call out the dot color. It can be varied where you have the hitter swing at a certain color and take the other.

    May not work if the hitter is color blind. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basedog View Post
    Awesome advice and coaching techniques!

    I just think Mershon will be back, $250K for the coming year to stay in college is good money. Plus he can work on his game w/o much pressure and enjoy another year of college life.
    With our NIL and what I suspect the bonus will be- I would definitely say that the best financial move is likely to go back to MSU for another year.

    The exception being if the Angels go way overslot which is possible I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    You were literally questioning why we brought Lemonis back last year. And yes you were brutally wrong. It's absolutely hilarious that you're mad because you think we're going to keep "winning so we have to keep Lemonis." Isn't that the whole point?

    I see the football mentality with some of our fans trying to understand baseball coaching is strong here. Baseball isn't like football where coaches have a ton of control into play calls and can control who gets the ball in certain situations to an extent. It's much more individualized and therefore pitching probably has more to do with the outcome than anything else. And even if you have the right people out there- there is always the chance of an off day. If a team wins 100 games in MLB that still means they lost 62. That doesn't mean Joe Torre managed the team poorly or had the wrong lineup out there. So because of the fact that talent wins games more often than not the best way for us to succeed is to bring in talent which we are doing. Whether our fans recognize it or not is another story.
    We aren't winning at the State standard, you yourself admit this.

    No, I'm not using a "football" mindset.

    Pitching is the most important? Pitching? Funny, because in another thread today YOU defended Lemos underperformance of his talent level by saying that most of the talent was pitching, and hitters are more important. Which is it?

    You from another thread after I showed Lemo did not win many games per draft pick:

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Considering that 7-8 of those draft picks were pitchers and therefore not even on the field much of the time and that we had three position players drafted it would kind of prove your "stat" wrong.
    Last edited by the_real_MSU_is_us; 07-22-2024 at 01:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    We aren't winning at the State standard, you yourself admit this.

    No, I'm not using a "football" mindset.

    Pitching is the most important? Pitching? Funny, because in another thread today YOU defended Lemos underperformance of his talent level by saying that most of the talent was pitching, and hitters are more important. Which is it?

    You from another thread after I showed Lemo did not win many games per draft pick:
    You absolutely are using a football mindset. It's very clear that you think that the head coach has a lot more control of what goes on during a game than what he actually does. If our 8th place hitter is due up in an inning instead of our clean up guy there is nothing that Lemonis can do about that other than use a pinch hitter who probably isn't good enough to start. In football you can have your QB target a receivers or hand it off to an all world running back and sometimes it doesn't matter if the other team knows it.

    I didn't say that the hitters were more important. I said that there were only a few them that were drafted on the field at the same time. Meaning that most of our drafted guys who were PITCHERS were on the bench. Meaning your stat was skewed. Which is why literally no one in the sport uses that stat. I've always said that pitching is more important. What was the difference between last year and 2022 and 2023? We literally fixed pitching and defense and almost doubled our SEC win total, made the regionals.

    And no this season wasn't up to standard but it was enough of an improvement to stay the course- we were literally 2 wins from the standard and we won 17 SEC games. And the reality is Lemonis is the one who made the changes, hires, and improved the team. That's hard for you to swallow I'm sure but that's the reality. And now we're taking steps to correct the offense with a portal class ranked fifth in the country which is not bad considering that Lemonis was accused of "not showing enough urgency" in the portal in mid June the day the portal opened among other things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basedog View Post
    Hunter Hines is coming back!
    I suspect that the main reason he's coming back is to see if he can break Jordan's strikeout record.

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    well, I guess that is the case now....maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooterpoot View Post
    Angels will have money to give Mersh, it just depends on if they are willing to do it. If they are, I'd say Mersh is gone. If not, it gets interesting.
    i thought you posted he was 100%gone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by schddog72 View Post
    I suspect that the main reason he's coming back is to see if he can break Jordan's strikeout record.
    Please stop. A couple things:

    1. I can assure he doesn?t want to do that.
    2. He may not be an mlb player but it is ours and his best interest to bat 350 with 30 bombs next year.

    He deserves criticism for whatever reason allowed him to under perform this year but he has 20-30 a year pro ball power.

    Let?s constructively criticize, I.e. he chases too many pitches etc.

    Let?s not be dicks. If we found out the dude didn?t work on his game all last off season and showed up for BP in February then yeah, be a jerk. I think kid is disappointed and hopefully finds his groove again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schddog72 View Post
    I suspect that the main reason he's coming back is to see if he can break Jordan's strikeout record.
    lol- he is likely going to be the all-time State HR hitter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    lol- he is likely going to be the all-time State HR hitter

    Right! And we?ve not heard he?s a cancer or shit starter like Alford was. If he is, then I?m all on being rough on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPMT View Post
    Right! And we?ve not heard he?s a cancer or shit starter like Alford was. If he is, then I?m all on being rough on them.
    Haha- people say he and Alford had a ?spirited disagreement? and Hunter got his point across 2 years ago

    He has South Jackson DNA so I know he has punched a couple of people in his life
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