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Lipscomb downs Vols
The artist formerly known as David Lipscomb College, nee Nashville Bible School, defeated the might Volunteers of Tennessee 9-6 tonight.
That's baseball.
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Yeah...they're not that mighty this year. Best team won last weekend.
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amazingly its not just us
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
The artist formerly known as David Lipscomb College, nee Nashville Bible School, defeated the might Volunteers of Tennessee 9-6 tonight.
That's baseball.
Don't care who else sucks midweek. As long as State doesn't suck in midweek games! And State has definitely sucked in some midweek games this year. Thankfully, the Dawgs have won a few weekend games. Need to get that 30th win tomorrow night!
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Originally Posted by
CaptainObvious
Don't care who else sucks midweek. As long as State doesn't suck in midweek games! And State has definitely sucked in some midweek games this year. Thankfully, the Dawgs have won a few weekend games. Need to get that 30th win tomorrow night!
Well its more about the changing face of college baseball. Mid-levels are getting better because of the portal
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
Well its more about the changing face of college baseball. Mid-levels are getting better because of the portal
This it's been changing for several years with the portal, mlb draft cut in half, more very good player to go around for every one. Not like it was even 10 years ago.
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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
This it's been changing for several years with the portal, mlb draft cut in half, more very good player to go around for every one. Not like it was even 10 years ago.
So we can't maintain enough quality depth to consistently beat mid-week opposition even with our recruiting and portal use? Do they have starters better than our bench as these players had rather start at this level of college than commit to us and work for playing time? This seems to be the case in football and basketball so has it spread to SEC baseball and roster management?
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Originally Posted by
Goldendawg
So we can't maintain enough quality depth to consistently beat mid-week opposition even with our recruiting and portal use? Do they have starters better than our bench as these players had rather start at this level of college than commit to us and work for playing time? This seems to be the case in football and basketball so has it spread to SEC baseball and roster management?
Believe it or not some lower level starters are just as good as our starters (oh how we've forgotten Austin Peay already). Also, no way do I blame a kid for going to a "lower level" of baseball to actually PLAY and improve via live reps, rather than trying to "earn" playing time behind some NIL diva who's not getting benched anyway, just to be a "part" of big time college baseball. And guess what? If he "earns" his stats at lesser program, guess who comes calling anyway? And they didn't have to sit a year or two in the meantime. More than one way to look at it. That's why JUCO ball is about to take a massive jump in talent just from '24 kids who D1 doesn't want because they are all getting 1 year players from portal rather than take project/recruit HS kids, which I don't blame them for that either.
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Originally Posted by
TStationDawg
Believe it or not some lower level starters are just as good as our starters (oh how we've forgotten Austin Peay already). Also, no way do I blame a kid for going to a "lower level" of baseball to actually PLAY and improve via live reps, rather than trying to "earn" playing time behind some NIL diva who's not getting benched anyway, just to be a "part" of big time college baseball. And guess what? If he "earns" his stats at lesser program, guess who comes calling anyway? And they didn't have to sit a year or two in the meantime. More than one way to look at it. That's why JUCO ball is about to take a massive jump in talent just from '24 kids who D1 doesn't want because they are all getting 1 year players from portal rather than take project/recruit HS kids, which I don't blame them for that either.
That is some good points. There are way more baseball players than football and basketball. Many many times a player is maturing a year or so after high school also. Yes to 34 on his take on mid majors being more competitive and 24 for his take on minor leagues being cut. But still with the Sec being the best conference it shouldn't be as much as say Sunbelt Conference upsets IMO.
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Originally Posted by
TStationDawg
Believe it or not some lower level starters are just as good as our starters (oh how we've forgotten Austin Peay already). Also, no way do I blame a kid for going to a "lower level" of baseball to actually PLAY and improve via live reps, rather than trying to "earn" playing time behind some NIL diva who's not getting benched anyway, just to be a "part" of big time college baseball. And guess what? If he "earns" his stats at lesser program, guess who comes calling anyway? And they didn't have to sit a year or two in the meantime. More than one way to look at it. That's why JUCO ball is about to take a massive jump in talent just from '24 kids who D1 doesn't want because they are all getting 1 year players from portal rather than take project/recruit HS kids, which I don't blame them for that either.
This is it 100%! People are just not understanding that college baseball is not the baseball of Ron Polk. It's the 21st century and the talent is being more evenly spread out. Also any quality pitcher can shutdown any team on any given day, doesn't matter what level or how good the other talent is. Heck Jay Hook won games and threw shutouts in mlb and he's considered one of the worst pitchers of all time. People comparing football and basketball to baseball just don't get it. Baseball is not football/basketball, just not and never will be.
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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
This is it 100%! People are just not understanding that college baseball is not the baseball of Ron Polk. It's the 21st century and the talent is being more evenly spread out. Also any quality pitcher can shutdown any team on any given day, doesn't matter what level or how good the other talent is. Heck Jay Hook won games and threw shutouts in mlb and he's considered one of the worst pitchers of all time. People comparing football and basketball to baseball just don't get it. Baseball is not football/basketball, just not and never will be.
So is playing time more important than NIL to baseball players in the portal? Seems like $ #1 along with guaranteed starting spot in football/basketball. College $sports is the Wild, Wild West with very few rules. Saw we are after a WR that we will be his 4th school in 4 years if we get him. Does progress toward a degree even count anymore? The two previous portal classes in football saw less than 50% of portal entrees getting a landing spot. Don't know about baseball or basketball %. Most think they are going Pro and looks as though educational opportunity being lost and given up big time.
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Originally Posted by
Goldendawg
So we can't maintain enough quality depth to consistently beat mid-week opposition even with our recruiting and portal use? Do they have starters better than our bench as these players had rather start at this level of college than commit to us and work for playing time? This seems to be the case in football and basketball so has it spread to SEC baseball and roster management?
People need to stop acting like losing midweeks is something unique or new to this season and Lemonis.
1992 was my first on campus season. We had a solid team that went 40-22/15-9 and hosted.
I watched us lose to Bellhaven (NAIA), William Carey (NAIA), South Alabama, Mississippi College (DII), La Tech, Jackson State (SWAC), and North Alabama (DII) all in the same season. That's with our HOF coach in his 19th season.
We lost 13 OOC games that year. We had no business playing NAIA or DII schools - and we lost. Baseball is just a weird sport where those things happen.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
People need to stop acting like losing midweeks is something unique or new to this season and Lemonis.
1992 was my first on campus season. We had a solid team that went 40-22/15-9 and hosted.
I watched us lose to Bellhaven (NAIA), William Carey (NAIA), South Alabama, Mississippi College (DII), La Tech, Jackson State (SWAC), and North Alabama (DII) all in the same season. That's with our HOF coach in his 19th season.
We lost 13 OOC games that year. We had no business playing NAIA or DII schools - and we lost. Baseball is just a weird sport where those things happen.
Yep 100%! And as I said people on here need to quit comparing baseball to the other sports. In football or basketball you can give the ball to your best player every single time you need a big play. In baseball your best pitcher is not always on the mound or your best hitter isn't always at the plate when you need a big play. And even if your best hitter is up, he can be pitched around or walked and that negates him.
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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
Yep 100%! And as I said people on here need to quit comparing baseball to the other sports. In football or basketball you can give the ball to your best player every single time you need a big play. In baseball your best pitcher is not always on the mound or your best hitter isn't always at the plate when you need a big play. And even if your best hitter is up, he can be pitched around or walked and that negates him.
Pretty sure we even lost to MC in 85.
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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
This it's been changing for several years with the portal, mlb draft cut in half, more very good player to go around for every one. Not like it was even 10 years ago.
MLB is evolving their minor league system. Lots of people think there is going to be another contraction of 30 teams or so in the near future even though MLB denies it. Also it seems like MLB is slowly buying up all of the teams in the minors. The Mississippi Braves are owned now by that group - Diamond Holdings I believe it's called. They also own the Memphis Redbirds now too for those that live that way. I believe that group owns 30 minor league teams now so that's roughly 1/4 of all minor league teams not including instructional league teams.
In the Deep South minor league baseball seems to be dying. The M-Braves are moving, the Shuckers draw worse than the M-Braves, the Redbirds aren't drawing well, and there aren't teams in New Orleans, Mobile, Baton Rouge, or Shreveport. Perhaps that's a narrow view because it seems like when I see minor league highlights there are empty seats all over the ballpark behind home plate.
It makes me wonder if MLB has decided to not to compete with college baseball in the Deep South? I also wonder (hope) if we will see a new independent minor league eventually emerge in the Deep South? That could be a good strategic move given how popular some players are when they are in college like Elijah MacNamee and Scotty Dubrule. Could also be a nice place for guys like say a Roy Oswalt to end their career or have a place to play to try to get back into MLB.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
It makes me wonder if MLB has decided to not to compete with college baseball in the Deep South? I also wonder (hope) if we will see a new independent minor league eventually emerge in the Deep South? That could be a good strategic move given how popular some players are when they are in college like Elijah MacNamee and Scotty Dubrule. Could also be a nice place for guys like say a Roy Oswalt to end their career or have a place to play to try to get back into MLB.
Yep. Be interesting to see the attendance for the M-Braves this week with the Pensacola Blue Wahoos in town.....and Tanner Allen.
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What does Tennessee have for mid-week pitching ?
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Originally Posted by
Offshore Dawg
What does Tennessee have for mid-week pitching ?
They started a guy who was 1-0 with 3.31 ERA in 12 appearances, 4 starts, but only 16.1 innings. They only pitched him 2 innings (he left with a 4-1 lead) and looks like they go with a Bullpen approach midweek.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Midweek and if one of these teams gets deep in a regional is where you're going to see the most impact from the portal. Guys that were normally Saturday/Sunday starters for mid majors are now midweek guys for these mid major teams. It leads to results like this one.
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
Midweek and if one of these teams gets deep in a regional is where you're going to see the most impact from the portal. Guys that were normally Saturday/Sunday starters for mid majors are now midweek guys for these mid major teams. It leads to results like this one.
Yep - and if they can stay in the winners bracket they will do some damage.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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