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Throw hard. Get hurt.
^^^ fastest 4-seam fastballs in mlb last year. Stolen from codify baseball.
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Human body wasn't meant to throw at those velos. Dr Andrews has said 92mph is max after that you're on borrowed time for an injury accept for a couple freaks of nature like Ryan.
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People need to go back to learning how to pitch instead of just trying to blow it by you. Would love to see another Greg Maddux type again, although I rarely watch mlb. He may be out there and I just don’t know it
Last edited by Bdawg; 04-14-2024 at 01:27 PM.
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Originally Posted by
Bdawg
People need to go back to learning how to pitch instead of just trying to blow it by you. Would love to see another Greg Maddox type again, although I rarely watch mlb. He may be out there and I just don’t know it
100%! I loved watching the guys like Maddux wirk. Was artistry! Watching guys just try to throw as hard as they can is almost boring compared to watching guys like Maddux. You got parents having kids velo trading at 7 and 8 now. Ridiculous! Learn to pitch! When I was coaching the first thing I taught was fastball command. In out up down and locate. AmaIng a guy like Maddux could carve lineups up throwing his 89-91 fastball 80% of the time
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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
100%! I loved watching the guys like Maddux wirk. Was artistry! Watching guys just try to throw as hard as they can is almost boring compared to watching guys like Maddux. You got parents having kids velo trading at 7 and 8 now. Ridiculous! Learn to pitch! When I was coaching the first thing I taught was fastball command. In out up down and locate. AmaIng a guy like Maddux could carve lineups up throwing his 89-91 fastball 80% of the time
Located fastball with movement can be deadly, especially when you can cut and run it.
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Originally Posted by
Bdawg
Located fastball with movement can be deadly, especially when you can cut and run it.
Yep 100%. I miss watching the guys like Maddux. Heck Jamie Moyer couldn't break 85 but that guy could pitch
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While exemplary control can absolutely be effective, 97 will get you drafted every time. Bc of this, kids will continue to press to get more velocity
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
While exemplary control can absolutely be effective, 97 will get you drafted every time. Bc of this, kids will continue to press to get more velocity
And this is a fact as well. You will at some point face the knife though.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
^^^ fastest 4-seam fastballs in mlb last year. Stolen from codify baseball.
I think that is part of it but also the push for HB causes you the need to grip the ball tighter for spin and either over supinate or pronate to get the movement you want - this along with high intent throws over and over bring you to the brink
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Originally Posted by
sandjunky
I think that is part of it but also the push for HB causes you the need to grip the ball tighter for spin and either over supinate or pronate to get the movement you want - this along with high intent throws over and over bring you to the brink
Yeah that's a great point. My youngest son is the pitching director at a baseball training facility and we talk about this a lot.
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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
Yeah that's a great point. My youngest son is the pitching director at a baseball training facility and we talk about this a lot.
I heard about this bracing procedure that Spencer Strider is going to have to have done so that he can try to come back sooner.
Kind of makes me wonder as a medical person- maybe come up with something like that as an implant for the UCL? Because Dr. Andrew's research shows that the ligament loses it's structure once you throw something over 80 MPH and in this era that's lower than your standard senior high school pitcher. I mean- we can implant boobs into women why can't we implant something like a brace to support the UCL so that it can withstand forces that are generated up to 30 MPH greater (which would be 110 MPH) than the UCL ligament can normally withstand?
The thing is you can't really strengthen ligaments like you can a muscle. And I think that's part of the problem. I can strengthen my core, legs, arm, and do all kinds of yoga and pilates and get as flexible as a circus performer and have flawless mechanics like Nolan Ryan but the UCL is still only going to withstand what it can withstand structurally.
So IMO the real solution here is going to be to find something essentially artificial which the baseball purists are going to love**. But just because you get an implant just like fake boobs isn't going to make you a supermodel getting a Todd4John implant is going to make you a MLB ace. You're still going to have to learn how to command pitches and learn how to pitch. It's just going to be a lot more safe.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
I heard about this bracing procedure that Spencer Strider is going to have to have done so that he can try to come back sooner.
Kind of makes me wonder as a medical person- maybe come up with something like that as an implant for the UCL? Because Dr. Andrew's research shows that the ligament loses it's structure once you throw something over 80 MPH and in this era that's lower than your standard senior high school pitcher. I mean- we can implant boobs into women why can't we implant something like a brace to support the UCL so that it can withstand forces that are generated up to 30 MPH greater (which would be 110 MPH) than the UCL ligament can normally withstand?
The thing is you can't really strengthen ligaments like you can a muscle. And I think that's part of the problem. I can strengthen my core, legs, arm, and do all kinds of yoga and pilates and get as flexible as a circus performer and have flawless mechanics like Nolan Ryan but the UCL is still only going to withstand what it can withstand structurally.
So IMO the real solution here is going to be to find something essentially artificial which the baseball purists are going to love**. But just because you get an implant just like fake boobs isn't going to make you a supermodel getting a Todd4John implant is going to make you a MLB ace. You're still going to have to learn how to command pitches and learn how to pitch. It's just going to be a lot more safe.
Just like steroids didn?t. Those guys should be in the hall.
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Originally Posted by
SPMT
Just like steroids didn?t. Those guys should be in the hall.
100% agree. Don't get me on that soapbox.
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Tim Wakefield. May he rest in peace.
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I read something on Maddux. Apparently, he threw hard enough to get drafted then basically backed off once he got in the minors. He worked on control and movement which is what got hitters out. He could throw 95 but lost movement and some control.
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Originally Posted by
Tbonewannabe
I read something on Maddux. Apparently, he threw hard enough to get drafted then basically backed off once he got in the minors. He worked on control and movement which is what got hitters out. He could throw 95 but lost movement and some control.
He was actually pretty wild when he first came up in 1986. I think he just evolved as a pitcher.
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Originally Posted by
Tbonewannabe
I read something on Maddux. Apparently, he threw hard enough to get drafted then basically backed off once he got in the minors. He worked on control and movement which is what got hitters out. He could throw 95 but lost movement and some control.
Yeah early on with cubs he was 92-93 pretty consistently but he sacrificed velo for movement and location. The professor!
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Maddox was also the smartest guy on the field, too.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
I heard about this bracing procedure that Spencer Strider is going to have to have done so that he can try to come back sooner.
Kind of makes me wonder as a medical person- maybe come up with something like that as an implant for the UCL? Because Dr. Andrew's research shows that the ligament loses it's structure once you throw something over 80 MPH and in this era that's lower than your standard senior high school pitcher. I mean- we can implant boobs into women why can't we implant something like a brace to support the UCL so that it can withstand forces that are generated up to 30 MPH greater (which would be 110 MPH) than the UCL ligament can normally withstand?
The thing is you can't really strengthen ligaments like you can a muscle. And I think that's part of the problem. I can strengthen my core, legs, arm, and do all kinds of yoga and pilates and get as flexible as a circus performer and have flawless mechanics like Nolan Ryan but the UCL is still only going to withstand what it can withstand structurally.
So IMO the real solution here is going to be to find something essentially artificial which the baseball purists are going to love**. But just because you get an implant just like fake boobs isn't going to make you a supermodel getting a Todd4John implant is going to make you a MLB ace. You're still going to have to learn how to command pitches and learn how to pitch. It's just going to be a lot more safe.
Interesting thought. The guy that owns the training facility where my son works is a big time into studying how to make pitchers arms stronger and avoid surgery. He was a big time prospect but shredded his labrum so he's into keeping pitchers healthy. I'll ask him if he's heard of anything coming like you just mentioned. He'll know for sure
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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
Interesting thought. The guy that owns the training facility where my son works is a big time into studying how to make pitchers arms stronger and avoid surgery. He was a big time prospect but shredded his labrum so he's into keeping pitchers healthy. I'll ask him if he's heard of anything coming like you just mentioned. He'll know for sure
You would probably have to brace both sides of the elbow to avoid stress to the other (radial) side and imbalance. I'd be interested to see if there was a lot of extra stress on the radial head as well. Might have to line that like a knee replacement.
I'm just saying I met Dr. Andrew's once and a made a 110 on my gross anatomy final. LOL.
Let me know if he knows anything because I'd be very interested to know.
Last edited by Todd4State; 04-14-2024 at 10:37 PM.
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