Confidence level

[Coach34]

If we are comparing to LSU, then the better question, is if anyone sees LSU putting up with that for the next 3 seasons, and by then the fans saying "well if we can get into a regional lets let the coach stay".
Does anyone on this board see LSU in 3 years from now with bad seasons, holding on to the same coach and saying "that is just the SEC" or "we get to a regional then he should be safe".

We’re not LSU and never will be. My point was the national champion lost to the SWAC. It happens in baseball.

Win the Georgia series and we are still in good shape. Lose it? Well things are getting tougher

[Santiago]

We?re not LSU and never will be. My point was the national champion lost to the SWAC. It happens in baseball.

Win the Georgia series and we are still in good shape. Lose it? Well things are getting tougher

We are not LSU in the number of CWS titles, but we are a top team as far as CWS appearances and that being our goal each year. Not that we will make it, but it is the goal.
We lose alot this season also, so how many more years will Lemonis need to "build his team".

[Coach34]

We are not LSU in the number of CWS titles, but we are a top team as far as CWS appearances and that being our goal each year. Not that we will make it, but it is the goal.
We lose alot this season also, so how many more years will Lemonis need to "build his team".

We are not LSU period. They are THE program in their state- plus have a large following in our state (especially on the coast) as well as in southern Texas. They are located in a large city which allows them to have large crowds for every home game- not just weekend series. And obviously its easier to recruit to LSU than it is to State

Now to your 2nd point- We have too many fans confusing our successful run we had that Lemon finished off with a title with that little run being a "standard". I've said this for 20 years now when people wanted to fire Polk and then when people wanted to fire Cohen- having the CWS as your "standard" is ridiculous. We are in the 25th year of the 2000's and we have 5 CWS appearances. Doing something 20% of the time is not a "standard". People arent being realistic saying that.

What should our standard be? It should be to make a Super. Be in the Sweet 16 of baseball so to speak. That is realistic. We have been in a Super 10 times and that is doable most seasons.

Lemon's job is to get into the postseason and see what happens. We are in the middle of that process currently. Next year is next year- has no bearing on this season. We have no idea what the team will be next year. We shall see how it plays out.

[Commercecomet24]

We are not LSU period. They are THE program in their state- plus have a large following in our state (especially on the coast) as well as in southern Texas. They are located in a large city which allows them to have large crowds for every home game- not just weekend series. And obviously its easier to recruit to LSU than it is to State

Now to your 2nd point- We have too many fans confusing our successful run we had that Lemon finished off with a title with that little run being a "standard". I've said this for 20 years now when people wanted to fire Polk and then when people wanted to fire Cohen- having the CWS as your "standard" is ridiculous. We are in the 25th year of the 2000's and we have 5 CWS appearances. Doing something 20% of the time is not a "standard". People arent being realistic saying that.

What should our standard be? It should be to make a Super. Be in the Sweet 16 of baseball so to speak. That is realistic. We have been in a Super 10 times and that is doable most seasons.

Lemon's job is to get into the postseason and see what happens. We are in the middle of that process currently. Next year is next year- has no bearing on this season. We have no idea what the team will be next year. We shall see how it plays out.

Pretty dang accurate.

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[Santiago]

We are not LSU period. They are THE program in their state- plus have a large following in our state (especially on the coast) as well as in southern Texas. They are located in a large city which allows them to have large crowds for every home game- not just weekend series. And obviously its easier to recruit to LSU than it is to State

Now to your 2nd point- We have too many fans confusing our successful run we had that Lemon finished off with a title with that little run being a "standard". I've said this for 20 years now when people wanted to fire Polk and then when people wanted to fire Cohen- having the CWS as your "standard" is ridiculous. We are in the 25th year of the 2000's and we have 5 CWS appearances. Doing something 20% of the time is not a "standard". People arent being realistic saying that.

What should our standard be? It should be to make a Super. Be in the Sweet 16 of baseball so to speak. That is realistic. We have been in a Super 10 times and that is doable most seasons.

Lemon's job is to get into the postseason and see what happens. We are in the middle of that process currently. Next year is next year- has no bearing on this season. We have no idea what the team will be next year. We shall see how it plays out.

Your 25 year of the 2000's, the first decade was marred with all the Polk 2 stuff. We lost alot of ground back then in our recruiting base and methods, with getting complacent while suddenly Bianco started out recruiting us and built ole miss from nothing.
I do not want our program going back to those days. Has nothing to do with a "standard".

And in the 90's - was it CWS in 5 of the 10 years?
What about the past 12 years? In the CWS title game twice, and knocked on the door a few more times. So all the 80's and 90's success, it has been the last 11 years that we were in the title game twice. But we are told, things are different now and we should not get our hopes up for that anymore.

Sorry, but we do have a great history, and we should always strive to get there instead of saying "he he got us in a regional this year....not too shabby". That is not to say we should be mad every year not in the CWS. I am clearly saying we should always strive (and donate to NIL) for the goal of getting there, and in that effort we do land there every few years.

Otherwise, lets just enjoy a hopeful invite to a regional, and enjoy our LFL and smoke every year and be told to be happy to just even compete now in the SEC...and mid week games ***

[Coach34]

And in the 90's - was it CWS in 5 of the 10 years?

And see? This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

We made the CWS 3 times in the 90's- not 5

[Santiago]

And see? This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

We made the CWS 3 times in the 90's- not 5

I was not stating fact, I was asking without having to look it up.
The point you intentionally ignore is --- In the CWS championship twice in the past 11 years, right? Despite all the old MSU baseball history and posters here saying it will never be like the old days of dominating in the SEC.

The past 2 years, and seeing a roster this year that will deplete us for next season is a big concern.

[Coach34]

I was not stating fact, I was asking without having to look it up.
The point you intentionally ignore is --- In the CWS championship twice in the past 11 years, right? Despite all the old MSU baseball history and posters here saying it will never be like the old days of dominating in the SEC.

The past 2 years, and seeing a roster this year that will deplete us for next season is a big concern.

Nobody is saying we cant be in the Final 2 times in 11 years- but acting like us not making the CWS is a letdown year is ridiculous to me.

Stevens
Cupp
Mershon
Downs
Chance
Spalitta
Highfill??
O'Brien
Plus other freshmen buried right now because of who is ahead of them
Add a couple of portal guys
(Remember last year and even before the season people saying Hugesak was a bust and cant hit??? That looks like a bad take now doesnt it???)

That's a solid start to next season position-wise. We also have plenty of young pitchers. Not sure why everybody is whining about next year right now

[Homedawg]

Your 25 year of the 2000's, the first decade was marred with all the Polk 2 stuff. We lost alot of ground back then in our recruiting base and methods, with getting complacent while suddenly Bianco started out recruiting us and built ole miss from nothing.
I do not want our program going back to those days. Has nothing to do with a "standard".

And in the 90's - was it CWS in 5 of the 10 years?
What about the past 12 years? In the CWS title game twice, and knocked on the door a few more times. So all the 80's and 90's success, it has been the last 11 years that we were in the title game twice. But we are told, things are different now and we should not get our hopes up for that anymore.

Sorry, but we do have a great history, and we should always strive to get there instead of saying "he he got us in a regional this year....not too shabby". That is not to say we should be mad every year not in the CWS. I am clearly saying we should always strive (and donate to NIL) for the goal of getting there, and in that effort we do land there every few years.

Otherwise, lets just enjoy a hopeful invite to a regional, and enjoy our LFL and smoke every year and be told to be happy to just even compete now in the SEC...and mid week games ***

We went to the CWS 3 times in the 90's 2 times in the 80's

[StarkVegasSteve]

We are not LSU period. They are THE program in their state- plus have a large following in our state (especially on the coast) as well as in southern Texas. They are located in a large city which allows them to have large crowds for every home game- not just weekend series. And obviously its easier to recruit to LSU than it is to State

Now to your 2nd point- We have too many fans confusing our successful run we had that Lemon finished off with a title with that little run being a "standard". I've said this for 20 years now when people wanted to fire Polk and then when people wanted to fire Cohen- having the CWS as your "standard" is ridiculous. We are in the 25th year of the 2000's and we have 5 CWS appearances. Doing something 20% of the time is not a "standard". People arent being realistic saying that.

What should our standard be? It should be to make a Super. Be in the Sweet 16 of baseball so to speak. That is realistic. We have been in a Super 10 times and that is doable most seasons.

Lemon's job is to get into the postseason and see what happens. We are in the middle of that process currently. Next year is next year- has no bearing on this season. We have no idea what the team will be next year. We shall see how it plays out.

I agree with a lot of your point about us not being LSU level and fans expectations being a little too unrealistic. I think they are that way because from 2013-2023 we went to 4 CWS, 6 Supers, and 7 Regionals. I mean we were on a hell of a 10 year run and Lemonis derailed it. Whether by injuries, mismanagement, or bad hiring it was derailed. All he had to do was just not screw it up, but he has managed to really screw it up. I think we are coming out of the 2 year low and getting back to respectability but to get back to the level we were at the end of Cohen is going to take some time. I also think our stadium being as palatial as it is has set a standard. I have said time and time again that stadium was not built for April. It was built for June. So when you build a stadium for that time of year, then the expectation is that you will be playing that time of year almost every year.

[HoopsDawg]

We slide into the tournament this year as a 2. Lemon keeps his job. We miss the tournament next year and look for a new coach.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

We slide into the tournament this year as a 2. Lemon keeps his job. We miss the tournament next year and look for a new coach.

The worst of options, but I agree it's highly likely. We should have moved on end of last year and started the rebuild. I fear we'll have wasted 2 years by hanging on to a sub par coach (this year and next), but I hope I'm wrong

[Coach34]

I agree with a lot of your point about us not being LSU level and fans expectations being a little too unrealistic. I think they are that way because from 2013-2023 we went to 4 CWS, 6 Supers, and 7 Regionals. I mean we were on a hell of a 10 year run and Lemonis derailed it. Whether by injuries, mismanagement, or bad hiring it was derailed. All he had to do was just not screw it up, but he has managed to really screw it up. I think we are coming out of the 2 year low and getting back to respectability but to get back to the level we were at the end of Cohen is going to take some time. I also think our stadium being as palatial as it is has set a standard. I have said time and time again that stadium was not built for April. It was built for June. So when you build a stadium for that time of year, then the expectation is that you will be playing that time of year almost every year.

And I agree with this. We shouldnt miss the Tourney but once a decade- maybe twice if something happens like in 2022 when we had devastating injuries to our top pitchers. I guess that's the difference between me and most others here. Lemon got a pass for 2022 from me. Losing what we lost to graduation and then injuries was too much to overcome. He obviously gets no pass for 2023. So here we are in 2024 waiting on the verdict.

The team competes, hustles, and works to win. Find a closer and let's get a good spot in the Tourney. If not? Let's hire someone else and get to work.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And I agree with this. We shouldnt miss the Tourney but once a decade- maybe twice if something happens like in 2022 when we had devastating injuries to our top pitchers. I guess that's the difference between me and most others here. Lemon got a pass for 2022 from me. Losing what we lost to graduation and then injuries was too much to overcome. He obviously gets no pass for 2023. So here we are in 2024 waiting on the verdict.

The team competes, hustles, and works to win. Find a closer and let's get a good spot in the Tourney. If not? Let's hire someone else and get to work.

I think the closer is the biggest piece to our success for the rest of the season. I think that would allow Schuelke to be the SU guy so as to not stretch him too much. So whether it be Stevens, Dohm, Auger, Davis, etc. Someone is going to have to step into that role. I think you could say that about the 22 and 23 team as well. Not having a closer has costs us way too many games in the past 2.5 years. Obviously that is not something you typically recruit for, but nonetheless we need to find one.

[Commercecomet24]

I think the closer is the biggest piece to our success for the rest of the season. I think that would allow Schuelke to be the SU guy so as to not stretch him too much. So whether it be Stevens, Dohm, Auger, Davis, etc. Someone is going to have to step into that role. I think you could say that about the 22 and 23 team as well. Not having a closer has costs us way too many games in the past 2.5 years. Obviously that is not something you typically recruit for, but nonetheless we need to find one.

Yeah closer has been a huge problem the last 2 years. In 22 we blew 13 games when we had the lead after the 7th, last year was also double figures. Toughest 3 outs in baseball and there's a reason why closers are so valuable.

[Commercecomet24]

And I agree with this. We shouldnt miss the Tourney but once a decade- maybe twice if something happens like in 2022 when we had devastating injuries to our top pitchers. I guess that's the difference between me and most others here. Lemon got a pass for 2022 from me. Losing what we lost to graduation and then injuries was too much to overcome. He obviously gets no pass for 2023. So here we are in 2024 waiting on the verdict.

The team competes, hustles, and works to win. Find a closer and let's get a good spot in the Tourney. If not? Let's hire someone else and get to work.

I view it the same exact way. Even with the players we lost to graduation in 22, if Sims, Simmons, Auger and the other pitchers we lost don't go down with injuries we would've still made it to post seaston play, so yeah i give him a pass for 22. 23 no excuse so this is make or break. Pee or get off the pot. Imperative to find someone, anyone who can close, even if it's a commitee of matchups in the 9th have to find a way to close games.