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    Some people are raising the bar

    On where we are as a baseball team and it?s not fair to Lemo. Earlier this season everyone would have been pumped at the idea of winning 14 sec games. Now we have people moving the bar saying if we don?t host then it?s a bust. That?s not fair. Some of you just want Lemo gone. We could host and you will still move the bar. Just stop. Good coaches improve after tough years. He has. We are a MUCH better team than we have been in the last two years. Enjoy it. Accept Lemonis actually a decent coach and drop it. If we don?t make the tourney I?ll eat my words. But if we make the tourney the man has done a good job this season. If we don?t make it then fire him and I?ll be the first one to say it. But stop moving the line.

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    There are so many threads of them saying no way Lemon makes the NCAA's it doesnt matter. There is no bar raising.

    Lemon failed in the portal
    Lemon has lost the team
    Bucket, Bucket, Bucket
    State should never lose in baseball
    We had 4 coaches in 4 years-there is no way that had any kind of impact on the program.
    There is no way we will win 14 games and make the NCAA Tourney
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    Quote Originally Posted by preachermatt83 View Post
    On where we are as a baseball team and it?s not fair to Lemo. Earlier this season everyone would have been pumped at the idea of winning 14 sec games. Now we have people moving the bar saying if we don?t host then it?s a bust. That?s not fair. Some of you just want Lemo gone. We could host and you will still move the bar. Just stop. Good coaches improve after tough years. He has. We are a MUCH better team than we have been in the last two years. Enjoy it. Accept Lemonis actually a decent coach and drop it. If we don?t make the tourney I?ll eat my words. But if we make the tourney the man has done a good job this season. If we don?t make it then fire him and I?ll be the first one to say it. But stop moving the line.
    You might want to stop singling out players and saying they shouldn't see the field.

    Bad look for you as a minister bringing a holy message.

    A couple of guys that were considered of no worth to this team have since had big moments that contributed to wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder View Post
    You might want to stop singling out players and saying they shouldn't see the field.

    Bad look for you as a minister bringing a holy message.

    A couple of guys that were considered of no worth to this team have since had big moments that contributed to wins.
    Just stop. That’s so played. That has nothing to do with the point at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    There are so many threads of them saying no way Lemon makes the NCAA's it doesnt matter. There is no bar raising.

    Lemon failed in the portal
    Lemon has lost the team
    Bucket, Bucket, Bucket
    State should never lose in baseball
    We had 4 coaches in 4 years-there is no way that had any kind of impact on the program.
    There is no way we will win 14 games and make the NCAA Tourney
    Lot of those posters been Mia for the last couple weeks. They did make some brief appearances for the USA game last week but have since disappeared again lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    Lot of those posters been Mia for the last couple weeks. They did make some brief appearances for the USA game last week but have since disappeared again lol.
    Facts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    There are so many threads of them saying no way Lemon makes the NCAA's it doesnt matter. There is no bar raising.

    Lemon failed in the portal
    Lemon has lost the team
    Bucket, Bucket, Bucket
    State should never lose in baseball
    We had 4 coaches in 4 years-there is no way that had any kind of impact on the program.
    There is no way we will win 14 games and make the NCAA Tourney
    There was some dude saying Lemon should be fired if he starts Bryce Trout then Bryce hit a 3 run homer to turn the tide vs LSU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    There was some dude saying Lemon should be fired if he starts Bryce Trout then Bryce hit a 3 run homer to turn the tide vs LSU.
    I can deal with him at DH vs LHP's in the 8 hole. 5 hole and in Left is just bad coaching

    And to add- Lemon did it again Sunday and Trout went 1-5
    Last edited by Coach34; 03-18-2024 at 09:28 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    I can deal with him at DH vs LHP's in the 8 hole. 5 hole and in Left is just bad coaching

    And to add- Lemon did it again Sunday and Trout went 1-5
    This^^

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    My stance still stands that he needs to make a super regional or at the least get put out in the very last game of a regional. No excuse to not be a top 32 team at least once in 3 years at MSU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford View Post
    My stance still stands that he needs to make a super regional or at the least get put out in the very last game of a regional. No excuse to not be a top 32 team at least once in 3 years at MSU.

    Everyone is entitled to an opinion but if we make the tournament, he's not getting fired. Nor should he.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion but if we make the tournament, he's not getting fired. Nor should he.
    You may be right, but just "making the tournament" is an extremely low standard for our baseball program and it's sad that so many of you are willing to be pleased with that. You make it sound the same as making the tournament in basketball, and of course it isn't. Hosting is our standard. Beyond that I accept the results of wherever we go, but not having post-season baseball at Dudy Noble for 3 years in a row is not acceptable. If we go on the road for a regional this year, Lemonis better damn well give us something more than that. A super regional at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArrowDawg View Post
    You may be right, but just "making the tournament" is an extremely low standard for our baseball program and it's sad that so many of you are willing to be pleased with that. You make it sound the same as making the tournament in basketball, and of course it isn't. Hosting is our standard. Beyond that I accept the results of wherever we go, but not having post-season baseball at Dudy Noble for 3 years in a row is not acceptable. If we go on the road for a regional this year, Lemonis better damn well give us something more than that. A super regional at least.
    I don't think anyone is saying just making the post season is the normal bar for MSU. For 3 years, normal must be adjusted down for this year to climb out of the hole we are in. Can't expect us to make all the ground up in one year. We should be solid in post season regional this year and build to shoot for super next year. If we keep improving, yeah a super or regional host looks possible this year.

    If any program can go from so bad to hosting regional, MSU is one of them. Just being reasonable, we are a two year climb up from the bottom of pit because that is where we have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R2Dawg View Post
    I don't think anyone is saying just making the post season is the normal bar for MSU. For 3 years, normal must be adjusted down for this year to climb out of the hole we are in. Can't expect us to make all the ground up in one year. We should be solid in post season regional this year and build to shoot for super next year. If we keep improving, yeah a super or regional host looks possible this year.

    If any program can go from so bad to hosting regional, MSU is one of them. Just being reasonable, we are a two year climb up from the bottom of pit because that is where we have been.
    OUTSTANDING post!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArrowDawg View Post
    You may be right, but just "making the tournament" is an extremely low standard for our baseball program and it's sad that so many of you are willing to be pleased with that. You make it sound the same as making the tournament in basketball, and of course it isn't. Hosting is our standard. Beyond that I accept the results of wherever we go, but not having post-season baseball at Dudy Noble for 3 years in a row is not acceptable. If we go on the road for a regional this year, Lemonis better damn well give us something more than that. A super regional at least.
    Getting in should be good enough. It always has been at State because before him we never won a title. Making the Tourney was enough. If you keep making the Tourney you will advance from time to time- as we have done in our baseball history. We only have 10 CWS appearances in the last 45 years.

    Now he makes it this year- keeps his job. He misses the Tourney next year? He needs to be fired- thats 3 misses in 4 seasons. Getting in this year doesnt start everything over. But getting in is the standard at State. Not some made up arbitrary view of Tourney success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Getting in should be good enough. It always has been at State because before him we never won a title. Making the Tourney was enough. If you keep making the Tourney you will advance from time to time- as we have done in our baseball history. We only have 10 CWS appearances in the last 45 years.

    Now he makes it this year- keeps his job. He misses the Tourney next year? He needs to be fired- thats 3 misses in 4 seasons. Getting in this year doesnt start everything over. But getting in is the standard at State. Not some made up arbitrary view of Tourney success.
    I agree with this post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Getting in should be good enough. It always has been at State because before him we never won a title. Making the Tourney was enough. If you keep making the Tourney you will advance from time to time- as we have done in our baseball history. We only have 10 CWS appearances in the last 45 years.

    Now he makes it this year- keeps his job. He misses the Tourney next year? He needs to be fired- thats 3 misses in 4 seasons. Getting in this year doesnt start everything over. But getting in is the standard at State. Not some made up arbitrary view of Tourney success.
    I just want to point out that there aren't very many teams that have been to Omaha that many times the past 45 years. We're tied for 12th all time as far as CWS appearances go. With the vast majority coming since 1990.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rances_by_team

    Which is why for me our standard is making a SR. If you do that you are an elite team by today's standards. The NC raised our standards because before 2021 there were many that didn't believe we would ever win one.

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    I'm not concerned about hosting. He needs to make a Super Regional though unless he wins the SEC or SEC Tournament.

    We'll see how is plays out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    I'm not concerned about hosting. He needs to make a Super Regional though unless he wins the SEC or SEC Tournament.

    We'll see how is plays out.
    I'm one that doesn't trust him to turn it around, but your bar is higher than mine. If he makes a regional at all, even as a 3 seed, I'm personally ok with keeping him another year. It would be improvement, and that's all I really want to see. The last 2 years and the first part of this season weere stale turds with zero improvement. Now, if we were a 3 seed and he got fired, I wouldn't cry.

    If we're a 2 seed, I can't see him getting fired. And I'm fine with that. But we need to get back to our standard of being in the conversation to host most years going forward.

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    I’m not sure why people are upset with Lemonis this year outside the Austin Peay series. Everything else has been fairly good and we are definitely trending after that to make a regional

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