Fair enough.
I think 247 could benefit from adding a 3.5 star that gives a boost to the 87-90 rated players
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I don't think that's the goal either. We've long talked about to really recruit well we have to recruit better OOS. Mullen signed 6 4* OOS players from 09-17. So far JoeMo has signed 3 has 1 committed & sit well with 2 more. So again we can't say he's recruiting the same when after 2 years & a couple months it's a realistic thought that he could match the higher end OOS recruiting that Mullen did in 8 years. Progress is being made but of course it's not fast enough or loud enough for some & I get that.
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Or they should do away with the 268 cap on 4*s that they give. https://247sports.com/college/appala...anation-81574/. Right now, 247 has 351 players rated 4* or better in the composite rankings. By their own system, that means that 51 players who are 4*s today in the composite aren't considered 4*s by 247. That tells you how much subjectivity there is in the evaluations and as we all know it is not an exact science.
Who would you rather have had as a QB at MSU in the 2011 class? 5* Jeff Driskel or 3* Dak Prescott? Which rating was correct in terms of performance and potential?
There's a difference in recruiting to "win a bunch of games" and recruiting to win the division. Shotgun is correct in his assesments. Moorhead is landing a lot of his top targets, and you have to be pleased with that, but they're, at this point, for the most part 3* guys. Yes, not all 3*s are created equal, but without having at least half of your roster being comprised of 4 and 5*s, you cannot win the division. It's the history of the league since the modern recruiting database became available. So, you have to ask yourself what is the goal? If it's to win some games and be bowl eligible and maybe have a run every 4th year where we win 10 games then yeah, this recruiting performance can get you there with elite coaching (of which we currently do not have based on last seasons results, but willing to give some leeway to see what happens this year). If you want to really compete for the crown, you have to recruit better than this. I know that sounds harsh, but it's just the straight facts.
Not dogging three star kids, per se. They can be the backbone of your program. You just have to snag some four and five stars, which we have, to leaven the bread, so-to-speak.
To a degree hindsight makes it easy. You also have reality of staring you in the face that we are still years away from recruiting at the level Shotgun is proposing. Our best year in the last 10 saw 7 4* players (2015). Since 2010, we have averaged 4.5 4*s or higher. That was an increase over to 2000-2009 period that saw an average of 3.1. Expecting us to double that number quickly isn't realistic. Joe signed 6 in each of his first 2 classes - Dan did that three times in 9 classes. Getting to 6-7 a class on a regular basis is probably a realistic plateau for right now. It's not satisfying, but I don't see any way to make a leap that large. So, you have to work toward increasing the number of 4*s while still recognizing that we are still a program that has to do an excellent job of landing talent that needs development.
You're skipping steps though with what you're talking about. We've been a Top 25-28 recruiting profile which has been good for 7-8 wins a year. What you're talking about is a Top 10-15 recruiting profile. Our next step is consistently in the Top 17 - 22 range. That should make us a consistent 8-10 win team. That's the next step not jumping over that straight to consistently challenging for the division. Get to a consistent 8-10 win team & every 2-3 years you can challenge for the division.
agree....For every 4 star we get there are 4 other teams in our division....not just conference...DIVISION... that are getting 3 or 4. It sucks but it's just the way it is. Frankly I am getting sick and tired of being mediocre and even more sick and tired of the sunshine pumping sect of our fanbase acting like Moorhead is recruiting lights out when he is not. Quantity don't equal quality.
Why?
So inaccurate narratives can thrive?
Want to get me to go away? Post with accuracy & stop praising mediocrity. There is a difference in firing mediocrity & not praising mediocrity. I am not in favor or am close to being in favor of firing Moorhead, but I'm not going to praise him for gobbling up solid 3 stars in Mississippi. He had 18 instate 4 & 5 stars last year & missed on most.
We've averaged 8 wins over the last decade. At what point should we start expecting a next step? How many years in a row can the patience card be played? I've done the numbers on it. There's 10 MS HS blue chips every year, you need to land at least half of them. There's 4 MS Juco blue chips every year, you have to land one of those. There's 350+ non MS blue chips every year, you need to land 4 of those. It's not a cake walk, but people acting as if signing 10 blue chips every year is some ridiculous number have no aspiration for this program. It is quite doable.