How did we get passed by OM and Arky in a 2 year span?
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How did we get passed by OM and Arky in a 2 year span?
Sounds like we need to fire leach or hire the official who called the bogus PI on Fourth down at Arkansas. Has Memphis passed us too ?
Recruiting. Those schools recruit better than State. It was obvious last night.
Hell, Moorhead signed a safety that didn't like to tackle and not even the best player on his HS defense. (No longer on the roster)
The thumb points at Moorhead. That's partially how. And Dan started having JUCO heavy classes trying to get out of here while not giving a damn about our future which is why our senior day class was like 10 players mostly walk-ons, JUCO's, and transfers.
It?s a legit question. Do you disagree? 2 years ago, we were heads and shoulders in better shape than both of them. We can?t fire Leach. 3 HC in 4 years would kill the program, but you do realize that we are 0-4 vs them. As I watch this Arky game, I find myself wondering how it went this way so fast. JoMo recruited well per the numbers. Arky was a dumpster fire. OM coming off of probation.
I don't care what 247 says. I say what I saw last night and in Fayetteville.
Also as I said, one guy that I saw play many times. Was rated a 3*. Naw.
I don't know that the issue is recruiting so much as it is roster management. Both play more upperclassmen than we do. The largest margin of victory for either one of them against us is 10 points in that span. Which was last night. That will probably flip once we're the older team next year.
I mean okay. You can't blame recruiting and then discredit a legit recruiting site that has consistently shown a correlation between their rankings and where teams actually end up.
Us, Ark, and OM all have similar talent. Now, OM has the better QB, which sets them apart a little. But the talent is similar.
We also had a much more drastic change in philosophy than the other two. That's a big factor as well. We went from a run first spread team to the Air Raid. We also were way behind in S&C until Leach came in. That is a big factor a lot of fans forget.
Well, to be fair instead of going back three years a better sample would be five. That would cover the juniors and seniors who play the majority of the snaps for most teams and be a little more accurate in general. The results may be similar there too- at least it wouldn't surprise me. But if we look at the make up of the classes ours from five years ago would be the Montez Sweat/Jonathan Abram class that we signed 10 JUCO's or something like that and while I believe we had some hits in that class to like Willie Gay because they left early it caused us to not really have much of a core to build around.
https://247sports.com/college/missis...tball/Commits/
We also had some mass exodus and some of those were four stars.
We are recruiting better but Morris could recruit just couldn't coach.
LK inherited Corral and Ealy. Sam Williams was a juco who has really developed. Joes last class was not good we lost some DL and OL players off that class then the players we are trying to replace them with are very young.
We are closer than you would like in talent to USCE than We would like. BUT we are getting better in recruiting
This. The 3 of us will always be similar in talent. Last 30 years we've beat om 16 times which means it's almost a draw and probably will be for the foreseeable future. Every time one of us appears to be about to leave the other one behind it just doesn't happen cause we're to similar in talent, same with arky. State, om, arky, uk, usce, Missouri and even Tennessee are all very similar talent wise. Then you have the 6 blue bloods who get higher ranked classes and then Vandy at the dead bottom.
This was the class that Joe finished off and Dan started. A lot of contributors in it. Not very many studs.
https://247sports.com/college/missis...tball/Commits/
To your point this is Joe's first and only real class. It's not too bad- but it's also nothing to brag about. There are some players that don't fit the Air Raid. Cross and Emerson were big pulls.
https://247sports.com/college/missis...tball/Commits/
This last class by Joe is potentially very solid. Lots of likely contributors. Whiffed on the DB's outside of Forbes though.
https://247sports.com/college/missis...tball/Commits/
I was at the game and we only had 11 seniors being honored for Senior night I believe only two of them were starters along with the kicker. Hell Ole Miss has 14 starters who are Seniors and the one guy that makes them good is not a Senior but is gone to the NFL.
Name all the guys here with less than two years in our system. We aren't inexperienced really. Not at game 12 of year two. If two years isn't good, then Juco is pretty worthless I guess. We're going after those guys for experience.
Our problem is poor talent on the OL, LB/DE, and S, K, P. Our depth isn't good. Mullen and Moorhead left gaps & sanctions hurt. Will isn't completely there yet. I'll cut him a little slack. He's still got work to do and experience would help him. Got a couple guys that need to mature too. But inexperience really isn't the biggest problem.
We changed offenses and defenses 3 times in those years. We have no identity.
Arkansas and Ole Miss haven't left us behind. That's about as dumb as saying we've left Auburn and A&M behind because we beat them this year. The SEC this year was much more like the 1990s than it has been over the past 2 decades. On any given weekend all but 3 teams had games that were toss ups - Bama, UGA, and Vandy. Ole Miss happened to win more of their toss ups but their talent profile isn't that different than ours. They were a lot like our '99 team where everything went our way - including a huge come form behind at Auburn, and a lucky Tip, kick, pick that resulted in a game winning FG. Without those, that '99 team is just another MSU 8 win team. Meanwhile, we were a lot like our '13 team - where we just weren't quite ready for prime time but you saw the flashes of talent that would make the '14 season.
Hopefully next year our team has learned from the mistakes and gets the kinks out. Ole Miss will be dealing with losing a talented Senior class and replacing a talented QB. Arkansas will be in the same spot. Will we beat them? I have no idea. I do know that looking at our schedule again next year we have 10 winnable games - and only Bama and UGA stand out as teams that we will like have no chance against.
Good post. Everything is cyclical. Not sure where everyone got this idea of years of domination by one school over another other than Bama & GA winning against everyone else and Vandy losing to everyone else. It's like the lottery any given year. Throw in a bunch of balls and the numbers that come out vary year-to-year.
Arky passed us because we had a toss up PI and missed a straight 40 yd FG
We’re passing both next year.
Ark and OM hired coaches that ran offenses that fit the talent on campus and was similar to what they already ran. We made a long term investment while they went with styles that would work quick. And OM had a 1st rd QB on campus.