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And we allowed them to score 87 and almost hit their per game scoring avg of 61 in the 2nd half alone. Can you imagine the outrage if we did the same thing in football and baseball? Our fans would burn the athletic department down in protest but nope not basketball. I'm sure the Howland apologists will be around shortly to explain to us that he's still the best coach we've ever had.
We're mentally and physically soft
Who you think we could hire if we fired howland this year? Don't avoid it like always.
Pay attention to baseball instead of basketball, and life will be easier.
We initially thought the same thing with JoMo. Howland was a surprise splash hire. Someone will want the job. We don't have to settle for a scrub.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I never thought that, and EL OH EL comparing howland to joe Moorhead. Howland has turned around a train wreck, and Moorhead was driving us into a train wreck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
Well I thought it would be obvious that I wouldn't compare what the two inherited but I guess not. I was comparing the situation now in the context of looking for a coach in the event we moved on from Howland.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The direction of the program since the coach was hired matters tremendously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
51=61 TIL
Please be factually correct when ripping this team. They did a bad enough job today. No need to exaggerate it.
Of course but since we're getting onto that subject it really doesn't compare. When Howland came in we were lacking in every aspect from talent to effort. We now have talent but effort and IQ are lacking. The next coach would inherit a very talented team.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
With JoMo he came into one of the best teams we've ever had and squandered that. However he did continue to recruit at nearly an identical level as before so our next coach didn't have take over a team lacking in talent.
My point is both teams are in good shape right now for a good coach to come in and be successful.
I like Howland and I thought he was a great hire at the time. He's turned MSU basketball around from another hemisphere, but this is as good as it gets with Howland. He has peaked. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result and that's what I feel like I'm doing with this team this year, and it never changes. At the same time, you can't fire Howland this year. That would look really bad on MSU, IMO. You just gotta hope he knows when it's time to retire, because it's about to trend downward from here on out.
RI'm not sure it matters. Our fan base doesn't care about men's basketball anyway. It is way behind football, way behind baseball, and behind women's basketball. Only so much energy to divide amongst programs I guess, and men's basketball is lastQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
There's real truth to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
It’s been a loooong time since 1996. It’s almost a quarter century.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Just looking at the stats and I noticed one glaring difference between this game and some of the game we won. Today we only had 10 FTs total. In some of the games we won we were shooting 21, 31 and against SC 34. Were the refs not calling any fouls our were we just not trying to draw them?
Men's basketball is way behind everything else. Because they just don't deliver the mail. Every single time they start to show us something, they get ran out of the building.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Shaka Smart is about to be available.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Not saying he'd take our job, but I'd be up for that.
Not really a fan of getting rid of Howland this year, unless we have a proven coach ready to step-in.
We have no damn coaching.
The team is to inconsistent to ever win big. We look like the best team in cfb in spurts and then we look like we've never been on a basketball court for 7-8 minutes every game, and it just absolutely kills us. No lead is ever safe for us. This team is frustrating as heck to watch.
We don't value the ball. Very careless with it.
As a coach, you're either coaching smn or allowing it. Ben allows too much.
Yeah way to many unforced turnovers and just some mind numbingly dumb playsQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Just back from College Station. Based on my observations today, Nick gets out of control from time to time, and it hurts this team in the form of turnovers and senseless fouls. It seems like Howland spent half of the game trying to get Weatherspoon and Perry to calm their emotions down. It looked like we had better athletes, to be honest, but could not sustain any momentum. It's like we hate success.
I think a lot of our issues are bc we don't have a true point. Nick is a good player, but I don't think he's at his best at the 1
Howland has been....I don't know, maybe above average? Maybe a little better than that. It's a weird spot. He's not getting it done at this point, but we could easily do much worse.
Hard to get to the free throw line when you turn the ball over. At last count we had 14 I don't know what the final count was.Quote:
Originally Posted by parabrave
Well Nick sure isn't playing like a true point. Boy he did a while back for about 4-5 games but I think teams were playing man on us then. Nick has not adjusted to teams playing zone. The zone has killed this team's momentum and likely will cost us a tourney bid. For those coaches that just revolt against a zone, that zone is getting a lot of wins against us. A zone can be very effective used correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
There isn't much to analyze here. Cooter is dead on. We win only when our talent advantage is better than another teams lesser talent + coaching. Today, like at OM, the better coaching was enough to make up the difference in talent. We will most likely never outcoach a more talented team and I've yet to see us Out coach a team with equal talent.
Can someone explain what we are doing on offense against a 1-3-1 press or a zone press? We have Ado 20 ft on the baseline yet our guards don?t or won?t beat their man off the dribble. A do?s man doesn?t bother with him and helps on Perry. It seems the best time to score is in transition. I don?t understand what we are trying to do.
Travis Decuire, MontanaQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Chris Jans, NMSU
Matt McMahon, Murray State
John Becker, Vermont
Mark Pope, BYU
The catch to this question is the fact that the HC doesn't know either. It is difficult to perform something in a game that one hasn't perfected in practice. Howland is one on one offensive coach. This is where it starts and stops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingbarkus
It's time to accept that no one in the SEC really gives a crap about basketball other than KY. FL and AU sometimes. This is why I'm glad we aren't wasting money on a new arena and just going to drop a much smaller sum of money into the Hump.
One NCAA appearance every 5 years is the accepted criteria for a coach to keep his job if he's making the NIT. Avoid really bad years and it's all a wash.
If all our players played as hard as Nick we would win all the games. he kept us in the game the first half. 3 of his turnovers were because other players fumbled his pass. We have a player that is shooting 47% from 3--why is he not shooting at least ten 3s a game? Most of our turnovers come trying to feed Perry. Other teams are now running zones and packing it in on Perry. We need Woodard , Carter and DJ to start shooting. shoot before we turn it over--hell , offensive rebounds is a strength for us. Perry needs to work on getting good position so our guards can get him the ball. He doesn't work hard enough. Watch Nebo, he gets great position and can catch the feed. Maybe A&M is better than people think--they have won 8 Sec games.
I wish the HC had a strategy like u describe. Go back and check his other coaching stops and u will see that he simply won with superior talent and there waan't that much situational strategy involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Say it louder for those in the back...Quote:
Originally Posted by timotheus
At Northern Arizona? Or Pittsburg? Maybe UCLA. But to me if your strength is offensive rebounding then shoot it before you lose it. Perry is better on put backs that posting up. shit put Him at the free throw line and run a high post.Quote:
Originally Posted by timotheus
Can anyone tell me the last time we were satisfied with a coach after about two seasons?
I'm satisfied with Leach and he hasn't coached a game yet. Some coaches have t some don't....Howland used too not now.
I've argued about this till I'm blue in the face. I have not spoken to a real person (meaning the fans I am friends with that I speak to, text with, etc.) that wants any part of Ben Howland moving forward. There's obviously some on the board that are cool with being average at best. But as far as my circle is concerned, he needs to be fired or told to retire.
Well... I don't know any of my friends that want to replace Howland. And that doesn't equal wanting to be average. This idea that getting rid of Howland would be an upgrade is one that I just don't believe is worth the risk.
My point is that at neither of his previous stops did he pull out a zone defense or a full court trapping press or a high low offensive concept or a shoot quick type offense to utilize a rebounding advantage. He basically just "let em do what they do" and he did have good talent who meshed and played well together. I have seen nothing yet from him that makes me believe that he knows how to attack a 1-3-1 press yet.My opinion of this season is that he (howland) predetermined Perry to be the hero this season and it has blown up in his face due to excellent Defensive coaching and film study by our opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70