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Javonta Payton moves outside. Opens up a portal spot. No hard feelings best of luck bless his heart
I really had been hoping he would be able to break through. I know some of his family fairly well.
I know Leach mentioned that he could be really good if the light ever turned on. Dang it, one has to do what one can in this world.
Y'all have a lot more faith in the portal than I do. Not that losing Cam is a big loss but we aren't going to make a living getting a ton of help in the portal. There's a reason most of those guys are there.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
This. Too much competitionQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
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Originally Posted by Homedawg
I agree in concept but reciever and QB are the positions we might actually pull quality talent away from other schools, particularly run-first schools.
I agree with that. But at least it is someone who wants to be here vs someone who aint all in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
We are 1 player away from being ready on offense
Yeah. Plus we can only sign 26 guys this cycle no matter how many guys leave, so it's not like Cam leaving frees up a scholarship for this signing class. The only way it's not a loss is if we give it to a walk on player. Our numbers situation is less than ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I'd argue 2-3. I'm not sold on our guards. We'll be fine at tackle with Cross and Kam, and I think Dolla Bill came along at one of the guard spots, but with Parker leaving, they'll be a hole there and I'm not sure who fills it. I don't think the Juco guys we signed will be ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
And then we're getting pretty thin at WR. The starting group of Heath, Walley, Williams, and Tulu is good. But there's not much behind them, especially at outside WR. I agree that Payton may need to move outside if he returns. We also need to hope Ducking is productive.
Ducking would be starting but I wont get into why not bc its his own business.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Spivey will play outside WR as well. I do not expect Mitchell to be back and Heath is on thin ice. Rufus Harvey needs to mature and be what he is capable of being.
Scott Lashley will get a shot to play somewhere. Possibly a guard.
I've read Scott is moving on. You heard different?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I put it out there last fall that ducking was our best wr in practice. And he was academically ineligible. That's common knowledge now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I'll be shocked if he's back.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Best for Cam.. and def best for MSU
Are we gonna take a portal WR?
Not with three spots and bigger needs at DB, OL, and MLB.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
We could start
Heath and Tulu on the outside
Walley, Austin Williams, Payton, Cumbest, and Spivey in the slot.
And we're adding Knox and Moore. Osiris is probably coming back. I think Caleb Ducking will be in the rotation as well and he's a wild card.
That's a pretty decent two deep.
Sawyer Robertson?***Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I really hate the fact that we have to rely on Cumbest and Spivey to fill out a WR rotation.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I think that changes this fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
I think either one of them could be a solid WR and red zone threats. They're big bodies who have good hands. And we might not like it, but those two and Osiris are our tallest WRs right now. Everyone else is in the 6'1-6'2 range or shorter.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
Williams
Heath
Tulu
Walley
Payton
Spivey
Ducking
There’s 6 guys with game experience and one in Ducking would have gotten lots of PT from what I was told if eligible
Also With Knox and Jacobi Moore coming in I think both will play.. and I wouldn’t be shocked if one of them had a Walley type year .
I had much rather have grad transfers at other positions unless a transfer Wr has more than one year to play
Like someone said , there is a reason why a Wr is in the portal ..
This San Jose State WR can play. Here’s his stat line by season:
2020 (only 8 games)— 45 for 627 and 4 TD’s
2019– 79 for 1,161 and 2 TD’s
2018– 39 for 714 and 5 TD’s
2017– 16 for 288 and 1 TD
We need DB's.
1. DB
2. OL
3. MLB
4. WR
As nice as it would be to have another WR, we have far more pressing needs at other positions.
Before you guys panic too much about some of our players entering the portal, see where they end up. At most it hurts our depth. Saw where Key played some WR and RB at VA, maybe. Name one so far who has gone to a big name program and hit it big. So far, I am not big on the portal coming or going. Most seem to leave because of lack of playing time. I never want another "big name QB" from a "big conference" that is none SEC. Develope our own! Hail State and nothing but best wishes to them all.
My son and I had a very long conversation in the parking lot with Cam's Dad after a home game. Super nice guy who knew his football. I think it was in SloJo's second(?) year. He did however, try to convince me that Jo would be successful. I strongly disagreed with his analysis. Best of luck to Cam and thanks for his contributions at State!
Apparently the San Jose St Receiver will sign with the Dogs in Feb. and apparently Chance Lovertich, will also be joining the Bulldogs. Interesting QB room. Rogers from Brandon, Abraham from Oxford, Lovertich from Prep, a 3 star from Texas and some high 4 star from Lubbock named Sawyer. Sorting it out should be easy, but it is Leach we are working with.
Now if we can find some guys to stop the opponents, we will be just fine.
You saying we for sure are getting the San Jose St WR?Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Why do y?all love Spivey so much? If he?s not jawing or committing a penalty, he?s dropping crossing routes in the red zone. Hopefully he matures some over the off-season and his hands get better in the red zone, but based off of what I witnessed he?s got to improve to be any help offensively
He's a big body, which we don't have and if Osirus leaves then Spivey and Cumbest are the tallest receivers we have. I'm actually very bullish on Spivey's potential. I think you give him a full regular offseason in this offense and he can be a target for us, especially in the RZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thick
If he learns to catch the football he will be a weapon. He had two massive drops this year on what looked like the exact same play in almost the exact same part of the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
He's an underneath zone buster and a big body which we will need in this league. If he can find some consistency he could be a huge weapon for us.
We know what we have with Walley. We don?t know what is going to happen with Heath after the Bowl incident all washes out. I think Spivey may...MAY....have the best potential for Fred Ross type performances of all the returning receivers. We just got immediate help from an experienced WR. We know that Leach would like a solid group of 9-10 talented receivers with a roster # around 18-20 and he wants at least 5 QBs to be throwing them 100?s of passes this spring.
I really believe he expects the two defensive targets to sign in Feb. and he will expect Arnett to mix and match a serviceable defense to go with his high powered offense. Just the way he operates. He focuses on offense and let?s the D coaches take care of their side. Don?t think I ever saw Leach getting into a D coach like Mullen did. He is going to want the D to get the ball for the offense enough times for the offense to outscore the opponent. That?s 4 Non-Con wins and 4-5 conference wins as a primary goal and any thing better is gravy.
Edited to add my way too early prediction:
7-5 bottom, 8-4 top for 2021
9-3 bottom for 2022, 2nd in the SEC West
I think we could be 9-3 in 2021Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Maybe 9-3 or 10-2 in 2022
Why not? We're undefeated for 2021. Hail State!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogbone