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LSU #3
Auburn #6
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Ark #93
SC #98
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Missouri #201
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Down 8 spots
Sec...
LSU #3
Auburn #6
Tenn #11
Kentucky #16
Bama #22
Us #45
Florida #50
aTm #65
Vandy #81
Ark #93
SC #98
OM #111
Missouri #201
Georgia #226
Im surprised Arky is that high and OM is that low.
Ole Miss 82 MSU 72 is all that is relevant right now.
When are you guys going to realize that Howland is washed up? I keep hearing about all the great talent we bring in and I keep seeing us lose. Well, that's coaching. He's Stans 2.1. Just doesn't have the disciplinary issues etc.
Question is, who can we get that will do a better job? I'd say that's a question for Adidas if they want to keep our business.
The Hell we Can't get Better. After 7 years of Low Energy Ben, it's obvious he ain't gonna improve. We need to forget about his last name and prior successes and focus more on his tenure thus far at STATE. How anybody could be concerned or the slightest bit interested this morning about NET confuses me.
We. Aren't. A. Basketball. School.
Mississippi. Is. Not. A. Player producing state.
We are not a program that is or will be attractive to hot mid-major coaches. It's just facts.
Being a bubble team is about as good as it will get. We periodically should be able to put together seasons good enough to make the NCAA's but likely not with any consistency. Basketball really isn't any different than football in the sense that outside of a fluke season, or a murder scandal bringing us a great player, being competitive and winning more than losing is going to be the end result.
And Stans won all those West titles!!!
Don't mistake any of this as a ringing endorsement of Howland either. It's more about our status in general. I think most adequate coaches could come to State and have us in the 18-22 win range every year. Williams, Stans, and Howland prove that. But a young Rick Pitino (nor an old one) is gonna walk through the doors and take up coaching us to glory - because in todays game we don't offer anything that a mid-major doesn't. A mid-major coach won't take a risky move just to be in the SEC like they will in football. Thinking we can get better than adequate is how we got Rick Ray.
Sounds like we had a tough road loss in the conference without one of our best players, but we're still in line to be a Tournament team, like we optimistically expected going into the season.
When this season began there was discussion if we would make the NCAA tournament and what it would take to make it. As I recall, most said we would not make it or be a bubble team. I was one that thought bubble team and still do.
We lost yesterday on the road and we have people ready to jump off a damn cliff. How dare a bubble team do what bubble teams do.
Road teams in the SEC are 5-12 so far this year. We a middle of the conference team just like Ole Miss, Florida, Texas A & M and possibly Missouri.
Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, LSU and Tennessee are the guaranteed tournament teams. Vandy, Arkansas, South Carolina and Georgia are bringing up the rear.
Three of our next 4 are at home with the road game being Florida. Let's see what Howland and Co. do in that stretch before we start claiming the sky is falling.
It doesn't matter if your state produces top talent or not. There isn't a team out there that has a majority of their players from within their state. Maybe lucky if you have 2 or 3 even. Go look at LSU, Bama, TN, heck every team. Its a giant mix of everywhere and internationals.
Aside from a few turds at the end, at least Stans had us playing hard defensively. If it's one thing I think turns State fans off the most, it's not appearing to be giving it 100%. Our guys often look disinterested on defense. And the troubling part is toughness and defense is supposed to be Howland's calling card.
Getting really good talent and losing by looking disinterested or poorly coached is far worse to me than playing hard and smart but just not having enough talent.
It's what the Selection Committee uses to choose and seed teams now instead of RPI.
Is it better than the RPI? Both are pretty bad from a mathematical perspective, but at least the NET allows margin of victory to count for something. It's a contrived made up formula though, not one that really represents which teams are actually better and worse like the KenPom does.
You are correct. We might not be able to do better than Howland but there is no fire in the program. Our team and the style of play he coaches is boring and hard to watch. I would rather take a chance and end up sucking than just already knowing we suck. A change will at least breathe a little fire and energy into the program. At this point I don’t even know why Howland wants to be here anymore. Would not surprise me if he hangs it up after this year, I mean he has to know the game has passed him by at this point.
Quasar's Chart Proves Stans > Howland.
Some of you guys attitude shows why we will continue to suck at basketball. I remember, even with some of those inconsistent Stan's teams, the house was packed and it was a good product. I remember when womens basketball here was a joke. We hire a guy that knows how to put a good product on the floor and what do you get - full houses and fan support. And it was like that before the title runs. If I would have told you guys 20 years ago that our girls team would come closer to winning a title than our baseball team before 2020 you would have accused me of drinking magic coffee. Get out of here with this we will never be anything bull crap. At this point, it ain't about talent, making the tournament, etc. We need to hire someone to get fans excited about our basketball program again. Heck, the girls team may already have done that. We got nothing to lose at this point. What do we lose if we fire Howland and the next guy doesn't work out? Tell me? Because we are out the bottom of the barrel in terms of support and excitement around this team long-term.
This is basically Kermit vs Howland and why the results over the 4 years have been the same for both programs. Kermits teams are less talented because he is not a good recruiter, but they win at the same rate because he demands 100 percent effort. This is a major problem I had with Stansbury and Howland. Ironically, I think Rick Rays teams actually played really hard they just had no talent and Ray was a terrible floor coach.
Regardless of sport, Mississippi State fans expect toughness, grit, want, and intensity. It's not an expectation of success. We expect to be a tough game. We expect to be the team no one wants to play.
That's why Moorhead didn't work and didn't energize the fanbase but Leach is starting to energize us. You see the dedication. You see the heart. Vic created a winner that played with tons of heart. That's why the women had such great support. Ray and Howland have given us products that have none of that. Hell our volleyball team plays with more displayable heart.
If you're gonna suck (read not make the tournament consistently), at least be entertaining and give me something I can root for. We're not even an enjoyable underdog to root for in basketball for neutral fans.
And Ole Miss had a 10 point home win without their best player. Who?s points was Tolu going to replace? How much defense was he going to apply to Murrell who went for 30 points on 10-11 shooting, 5-6 from 3? If their best has played GM he probably gets some of Murrell?s points. If ours had, he definitely would have got all of Davis and some of Brooks. And he might have stopped their Brooks more inside.
With regards to instate Mississippi players, it is the same as it always has been. The best of the best are either in JPS(struggle academically, Meridian(same situation) or obscure 2A and 3A schools in rural areas. Ruffin was the State?s top player last year as a 5?9? point guard at a JPS school. He signed with Ole Miss. Raymond has an excellent young basketball coach that honed his skills at Meridian before getting the job and then won a State title and played for 2 more in his first 3 seasons. Raymond is on pace to play for another one this year. But they are a great collection of good players, no significant height, who work hard for the name on the front. Not D1 prospects. Who are this years top 3 players in state?
That's a complete rewrite of history to blame the entirety of Stansbury's downfall of Renardo Sidney (assuming that's who you're referring to). There were about a dozen headcases and locker room cancers who brought him down over the last 7 years. Lots of suspensions, drug uses, class cutting, stupid behavior, fights, various disciplinary issues, etc.
Hamilton is former MSU dog, Tang Hamiltons son and is a state commit
devin Ree 6-8 from Terry MS is an LSU commit and is ranked higher than Hamilton