To Ole Miss.....

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05-30-2020, 08:04 AM
ShotgunDawg

To Ole Miss.....

All you talked about in your investigation was how in Mississippi we should let everything go so that both programs could thrive. We shouldn't throw mud because that made the rivalry "toxic"

Well, here yet again, you attempted something that actually hurt both programs. For the love of Mississippi college football, please stop being assholes. Build you own 17ing program the right way. Stop being idiots trying to recruit other team's players. Recruit you own players based on the merits of your school & what it offers them in football & academics. BUILD YOUR OWN FOOTBALL PROGRAM WITHOUT CHEATING!

So to that I say...

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05-30-2020, 08:10 AM
Todd4State

They aren't capable of doing that. They just refuse to do it.

It blows my mind that they don't seem to have ANY fans that ever say- hey this isn't working. Let's try to do this the right way.
05-30-2020, 08:20 AM
Jack Lambert

What happened now?
05-30-2020, 08:26 AM
MetEdDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

All you talked about in your investigation was how in Mississippi we should let everything go so that both programs could thrive. We shouldn't throw mud because that made the rivalry "toxic"

Well, here yet again, you attempted something that actually hurt both programs. For the love of Mississippi college football, please stop being assholes. Build you own 17ing program the right way. Stop being idiots trying to recruit other team's players. Recruit you own players based on the merits of your school & what it offers them in football & academics. BUILD YOUR OWN FOOTBALL PROGRAM WITHOUT CHEATING!

So to that I say...

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Here's the thing. How did it hurt their program? They look exactly the same as they did a month ago. We are the ones that lost a starter in Jones and another major contributor in Lovett.

Some have the impression Ole Miss is dumb. They aren't. They are extremely smart and calculated. They won in a major way. You don't have to get something in return to win. Just sow some bad seed in your opponents field and that's exactly what they did.
05-30-2020, 08:30 AM
Jack Lambert

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Here's the thing. How did it hurt their program? They look exactly the same as they did a month ago. We are the ones that lost a starter in Jones and another major contributor in Lovett.

Some have the impression Ole Miss is dumb. They aren't. They are extremely smart and calculated. They won in a major way. You don't have to get something in return to win. Just sow some bad seed in your opponents field and that's exactly what they did.

We have had some really good defensive back field players but our defensive back field sure gets beat a lot down field. I saw Jones running behind receivers too much last season. I don't know if we got hurt or not. Either way the coach and the player is gone.
05-30-2020, 08:46 AM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Here's the thing. How did it hurt their program? They look exactly the same as they did a month ago. We are the ones that lost a starter in Jones and another major contributor in Lovett.

Some have the impression Ole Miss is dumb. They aren't. They are extremely smart and calculated. They won in a major way. You don't have to get something in return to win. Just sow some bad seed in your opponents field and that's exactly what they did.

Odds are those two would have left whether Ole Miss had anything to do with it or not. People that don't want to be in our program do not help us be the team we want to be.

I think it's also a win for us because we stood up for ourselves and didn't let Ole Miss gets players that they wanted. We also made them show their hands and now our staff is aware of D1 in Madison and we will be able to counter that better next time.
05-30-2020, 09:17 AM
basedog

Say what you want but I blame the two players mostly. Doing the right thing is about character, these two have no character imo! If others follow the same path, then explain to me how you can trust your teammate? I'm glad or hope both are gone, we need team players not me me me.
05-30-2020, 09:18 AM
WinningIsRelentless

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

We have had some really good defensive back field players but our defensive back field sure gets beat a lot down field. I saw Jones running behind receivers too much last season. I don't know if we got hurt or not. Either way the coach and the player is gone.

We didn?t get hurt with Jones. Hell he wasn?t even the best player on his high school team. Dee Baker who is at Southern Miss was the best player on Northwest Rankin team for two years.
05-30-2020, 09:22 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by basedog

Say what you want but I blame the two players mostly. Doing the right thing is about character, these two have no character imo! If others follow the same path, then explain to me how you can trust your teammate? I'm glad or hope both are gone, we need team players not me me me.

Recruiting character is certainly more important now with the transfers.

Mullen used to target kids that won state championships.
05-30-2020, 09:24 AM
Leeshouldveflanked

Ole Miss Coaches Tampering during a Pandemic NCAA Dead Period is so Ole Miss.
05-30-2020, 09:25 AM
MaroonFlounder

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Build you own 17ing program the right way.

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Wrong forum for the 17ing thing.

The 17 code for "F word" is SPS lexicon terminology.

If you're gonna be Elite, don't use terms designated for the vernacular of that other site that we all deserted from due to the obnoxious ole piss trolls.

Thanks, and have a nice day.
05-30-2020, 09:26 AM
basedog

Btw, I see we got a pitcher from Furman transferring, Furman dropped baseball. I have no info on him.
05-30-2020, 09:45 AM
confucius say

Quote:

Originally Posted by basedog

Say what you want but I blame the two players mostly. Doing the right thing is about character, these two have no character imo! If others follow the same path, then explain to me how you can trust your teammate? I'm glad or hope both are gone, we need team players not me me me.

I don't see Lovett and jones situations quite the same. I get Lovett leaving. He went through a coaching change, wasn't happy, and wanted out. I don't agree with it, but I don't think the same way as a 20 year old.

The jones situation, on the other hand, rotten.
05-30-2020, 10:00 AM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by basedog

Say what you want but I blame the two players mostly. Doing the right thing is about character, these two have no character imo! If others follow the same path, then explain to me how you can trust your teammate? I'm glad or hope both are gone, we need team players not me me me.

I don't see how Jones could come back either. Especially since he also apparently told our guys he was going to Oregon and then committed to Ole Miss.
05-30-2020, 10:06 AM
BankerDog

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

We didn?t get hurt with Jones. Hell he wasn?t even the best player on his high school team. Dee Baker who is at Southern Miss was the best player on Northwest Rankin team for two years.

He was actually third and/or fourth best, Braden Smith was the best prospect to come out. He walked on here as a WR, and was a lot better then some our scholarship guys. He transferred to NWCC last year and was one of the top 3 WRs in MS Juco. Had better numbers than Heath and Taylor. He and the Co-Lin kid who went to USM are the real deal. Smith is at Louisville now and projected to start next year.

In a few years we?ll be scratching our heads wondering how he didn?t get a chance here much like Jaylen Smith.

Also, the Dee Baker/Cam Carroll duo was top notch. Carroll is at Tulane and would?ve been perfect for Mullen?s offense.
05-30-2020, 10:16 AM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I don't see Lovett and jones situations quite the same. I get Lovett leaving. He went through a coaching change, wasn't happy, and wanted out. I don't agree with it, but I don't think the same way as a 20 year old.

The jones situation, on the other hand, rotten.

I agree with this. Two different situations. Even with Jones though, I'm not giving ole miss that much credit. If he's so weak in his commitment that they can talk him into leaving his teammates and school to go to the rival, he didn't really want to be here anyway.

At the end of the day you have to have guys that want to be here. This is just too hard not to really want it. He wasn't a corner and quite honestly I don't see him as a safety either. All that aside, you can't expect to compete in this league with guys that don't actually want to be on your team. Another team doesn't just talk you into that without it already being in your head somewhere.
05-30-2020, 10:38 AM
Jack Lambert

Quote:

Originally Posted by confucius say

I don't see Lovett and jones situations quite the same. I get Lovett leaving. He went through a coaching change, wasn't happy, and wanted out. I don't agree with it, but I don't think the same way as a 20 year old.

The jones situation, on the other hand, rotten.

My frist night at Paris Island I remember looking up at the ceiling and saying "I ****ed UP". But I made a committement.
05-30-2020, 10:55 AM
Lord McBuckethead

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

Wrong forum for the 17ing thing.

The 17 code for "F word" is SPS lexicon terminology.

If you're gonna be Elite, don't use terms designated for the vernacular of that other site that we all deserted from due to the obnoxious ole piss trolls.

Thanks, and have a nice day.

It once was a sps thing, but considering it has penetrated the lexicon of MSU fans over the past 16 years, i say it is good to use anywhere with msu folks.
05-30-2020, 12:40 PM
maroonmania

Quote:

Originally Posted by basedog

Say what you want but I blame the two players mostly. Doing the right thing is about character, these two have no character imo! If others follow the same path, then explain to me how you can trust your teammate? I'm glad or hope both are gone, we need team players not me me me.

The problem is that there are a lot of really good football players that don't necessarily have much character. If you have any doubt, just look at the NFL. I agree that Lovett and Jones don't appear to be high character people, and some OM people took full advantage of that. However, that doesn't mean we didn't lose some very talented football players. Rest assured, if you have 85 SEC caliber football players on your roster, there is ALWAYS going to be a portion of those that don't have much character. Football is not a 'gentleman's game'.
05-30-2020, 12:58 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

The problem is that there are a lot of really good football players that don't necessarily have much character. If you have any doubt, just look at the NFL. I agree that Lovett and Jones don't appear to be high character people, and some OM people took full advantage of that. However, that doesn't mean we didn't lose some very talented football players. Rest assured, if you have 85 SEC caliber football players on your roster, there is ALWAYS going to be a portion of those that don't have much character. Football is not a 'gentleman's game'.

It's both.

You have to find the balance of making sure your locker room is one of character while adding talent to that without tipping the scale on the culture of good character.

Bad apples will adapt to their environment. So, if you create a culture of high character, you can take on bad Apples and they'll be fine.

That's the crime of Joe. He ruined the culture. Mullen built a good culture and that made some risky character guys have success
05-30-2020, 01:46 PM
BuckyIsAB****

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Here's the thing. How did it hurt their program? They look exactly the same as they did a month ago. We are the ones that lost a starter in Jones and another major contributor in Lovett.

Some have the impression Ole Miss is dumb. They aren't. They are extremely smart and calculated. They won in a major way. You don't have to get something in return to win. Just sow some bad seed in your opponents field and that's exactly what they did.

OM wanted both. Would have had both but Leach put his foot down. JJ have been a ?starter? but he was soft as charmin and Lovett was always about Lovett. We will be ok. Don?t fret
05-30-2020, 02:06 PM
DLGDawg

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

OM wanted both. Would have had both but Leach put his foot down. JJ have been a ?starter? but he was soft as charmin and Lovett was always about Lovett. We will be ok. Don?t fret

Sounds like Leach is not going to put up with their crap. Is that the vibe that you're getting Bucky??
05-30-2020, 02:15 PM
TUSK

My frist night at Parris Island I remember looking up at the ceiling and saying "I ****ed UP". But I made a committement.

Me too, Jack.
05-30-2020, 04:29 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by TUSK

My frist night at Parris Island I remember looking up at the ceiling and saying "I ****ed UP". But I made a committement.

Me too, Jack.

Unfortunately commitment doesn't mean what it used too and it' sucks.
05-30-2020, 05:46 PM
msbulldog

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Originally Posted by DLGDawg

Sounds like Leach is not going to put up with their crap. Is that the vibe that you're getting Bucky??

Cohen was the one that put his foot on their throat, In that 7:30 am call he let them know that D. Russell was at that party saw the coach there heard the offers and knew who threw the party. D. Russell went straight to our guys and there is the sign.
05-30-2020, 07:52 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

OM wanted both. Would have had both but Leach put his foot down. JJ have been a ?starter? but he was soft as charmin and Lovett was always about Lovett. We will be ok. Don?t fret

But Leach needs to be in Starkville instead of Key West to stop our players from leaving.**
05-30-2020, 08:43 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

But Leach needs to be in Starkville instead of Key West to stop our players from leaving.**

He was on a Helpping People trip.******
05-31-2020, 08:33 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by TUSK

My frist night at Parris Island I remember looking up at the ceiling and saying "I ****ed UP". But I made a committement.

Me too, Jack.

I wasn't aware the Marine Corps had a transfer portal or you could opt out at Boot Camp. We glad you decided to stick around ****

Just kidding bruh. But seriously ... I don't think you had any alternatives but to stay committed.
05-31-2020, 08:45 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I don't see Lovett and jones situations quite the same. I get Lovett leaving. He went through a coaching change, wasn't happy, and wanted out. I don't agree with it, but I don't think the same way as a 20 year old.

The jones situation, on the other hand, rotten.

Lovett had his dad wearing him out from the day he signed.
05-31-2020, 01:35 PM
msbulldog

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Lovett had his dad wearing him out from the day he signed.

So true! The bastard refused to sign Fabien's LOI on signing day, he later relented. The reason he didn't want Fabien to sign with MSU was we weren't going to pay him! I am so sorry for that kid to have such a sorry parent like that. My opinion!
05-31-2020, 02:24 PM
TUSK

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawgday166

I wasn't aware the Marine Corps had a transfer portal or you could opt out at Boot Camp. We glad you decided to stick around ****

Just kidding bruh. But seriously ... I don't think you had any alternatives but to stay committed.

I saw several quit. Some refused to train and were processed out... A few took their own lives...

You could definitely "quit"....
05-31-2020, 05:44 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by TUSK

I saw several quit. Some refused to train and were processed out... A few took their own lives...

You could definitely "quit"....

Didn't know they let you go without extremely extenuating circumstances. Wasn't in the Marines myself but have family members who were. Never really heard of that.

I guess relative to the other option ... that's like always an option to someone anywhere if they wanna take it.
05-31-2020, 07:09 PM
TheLostDawg

So there is an article in the CL about a teacher that got his master's at ole miss who was arrested. The article talks about the racism that ole miss has within it's name, on campus, etc. To think Fabian Lovett used racism as an excuse to transfer and was going to transfer to a university like that is just amusing.
05-31-2020, 07:48 PM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

So there is an article in the CL about a teacher that got his master's at ole miss who was arrested. The article talks about the racism that ole miss has within it's name, on campus, etc. To think Fabian Lovett used racism as an excuse to transfer and was going to transfer to a university like that is just amusing.

Oh my... what are... you saying??? Holy cow, Ole Miss... including its nickname... is... racist?? My God man, this is groundbreaking stuff!!

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05-31-2020, 11:13 PM
TUSK

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Didn't know they let you go without extremely extenuating circumstances. Wasn't in the Marines myself but have family members who were. Never really heard of that.

I guess relative to the other option ... that's like always an option to someone anywhere if they wanna take it.

Yeah, they (the Corps) nor any other organization on the planet can "force" you to do anything... they'll extend you, make it worse than actual bootcamp, but they can't "make you be a Marine".... that has to be chosen and earned.
06-01-2020, 07:41 AM
basedog

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Originally Posted by TUSK

Yeah, they (the Corps) nor any other organization on the planet can "force" you to do anything... they'll extend you, make it worse than actual bootcamp, but they can't "make you be a Marine".... that has to be chosen and earned.

Gomer Pyle says "hey"**
06-01-2020, 08:12 AM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by TUSK

I saw several quit. Some refused to train and were processed out... A few took their own lives...

You could definitely "quit"....

The things is they can keep you there for up to 180 days. That's 180 days of hellish like prison. The fastest way off Parish Island was to graduate. Regardless almost everyone has that OH **** moment there.
06-01-2020, 08:18 AM
Jack Lambert

Quote:

Originally Posted by TUSK

I saw several quit. Some refused to train and were processed out... A few took their own lives...

You could definitely "quit"....

we started with 82 recruit and graduated 57. Broken bones and injuries took many of them. We had one guy the 2nd day threaten to take his own life. The Drill Instructor went over to the window, opened it and said "JUMP YOU PIG". He did not jump but a few weeks later he slit his wrist. When it happened the same Drill Instructor said to him, "Oh you ****ed up now". We never saw that recruit again.
06-01-2020, 08:22 AM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by TUSK

I saw several quit. Some refused to train and were processed out... A few took their own lives...

You could definitely "quit"....

saw the exact same thing from Ft Jackson .... and Jack, I had the exact same thought that first night ... but you're right -it's a commitment that was carefully considered well in advance
06-02-2020, 11:24 AM
TUSK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

we started with 82 recruit and graduated 57. Broken bones and injuries took many of them. We had one guy the 2nd day threaten to take his own life. The Drill Instructor went over to the window, opened it and said "JUMP YOU PIG". He did not jump but a few weeks later he slit his wrist. When it happened the same Drill Instructor said to him, "Oh you ****ed up now". We never saw that recruit again.

A recruit in a neighboring series tried to hang himself from the 3rd floor, outside stairwell with bed sheets he'd tied together... the knot came apart and the fall killed him...

The next day, one of our DIs gave us a class on how to properly tied bed sheets together....

Those were the days......

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