The more I think about it...if we do make the change

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05-10-2023, 10:46 AM
Coach34

The more I think about it...if we do make the change

Gonna have to take a hard look at making GoTro the guy. My reasoning:

A) If we keep Lemon- it's going to be tough to pull a well-known PC....knowing Lemonizik is on the hottest of seats

B) Firing him 2 seasons removed from a Natty is going to limit choices in the hiring process.

C) Firing him and GoTro as well will likely cause a major roster exodus as well as harm our recruiting class. Which will make it even tougher for the next coach to rebuild.

Ya'll thought I was full of it when I mentioned Arnett back in November- and look where we are now? Just something to ponder on the next couple of weeks.
05-10-2023, 11:00 AM
parabrave

I know he is the hitting Coach, But how far do his responsibilities go? Is the Lineup card his? Calling bunts? Base running? Fielding??
05-10-2023, 11:02 AM
Saltydog

I understand your rationale but if Lemonis goes, they ALL need to go........For the life of me I don't see why people keep thinking GoTro is the chosen one........He must be our sacred cow......
05-10-2023, 11:03 AM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Gonna have to take a hard look at making GoTro the guy. My reasoning:

A) If we keep Lemon- it's going to be tough to pull a well-known PC....knowing Lemonizik is on the hottest of seats

B) Firing him 2 seasons removed from a Natty is going to limit choices in the hiring process.

C) Firing him and GoTro as well will likely cause a major roster exodus as well as harm our recruiting class. Which will make it even tougher for the next coach to rebuild.

Ya'll thought I was full of it when I mentioned Arnett back in November- and look where we are now? Just something to ponder on the next couple of weeks.

A) Not sure about this, there are so many good pitching coaches at all levels. Some just need a chance.

B) Again, not sure about this, times have changed, IF a coach is scared of someone being fired after winning a Natty two years back, then he isn't the one we want anyway. I don't or didn't know too many coaches who were afraid of making good money and taking on a better job! Not only that, Coaches and AD's have to trust one another. Lastly, Big Time Coaches you haved stated not coming? Didn't scare the Pirate after we fired JoeMo after season two.

C) I agree
05-10-2023, 12:19 PM
sandjunky

The more I think about it - the more I think the bucket would do better than the staff

Lemonis - what does he coach? The art of organization?
Gotro - infield - there?s not one elite fielder or hitter (Hines here but he?s platooning at DH)
Cheese - catchers - no need to say more
05-10-2023, 12:33 PM
HancockCountyDog

If we do fire him, we need to act like a top 5 baseball program in the country.

It should be a national search and we try to hire the best guy in the country.
05-10-2023, 12:33 PM
Lord McBuckethead

Baseball is the easiest of the sports to coach. GoTro could do it.
05-10-2023, 12:39 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Baseball is the easiest of the sports to coach. GoTro could do it.

I agree
05-10-2023, 01:11 PM
SpaceBully

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Gonna have to take a hard look at making GoTro the guy. My reasoning:

A) If we keep Lemon- it's going to be tough to pull a well-known PC....knowing Lemonizik is on the hottest of seats

B) Firing him 2 seasons removed from a Natty is going to limit choices in the hiring process.

C) Firing him and GoTro as well will likely cause a major roster exodus as well as harm our recruiting class. Which will make it even tougher for the next coach to rebuild.

Ya'll thought I was full of it when I mentioned Arnett back in November- and look where we are now? Just something to ponder on the next couple of weeks.

Regarding Arnette....."Where are we now?" Nobody knows. We haven't played a game yet. Nor a season to see if he's even competitive. IMO, jury is still out on Zach, but don't get me wrong. He was the right choice for HC given the situation we faced. Hope if works out and we soar in football, but it's still a question mark at this point.
05-10-2023, 02:03 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Gonna have to take a hard look at making GoTro the guy. My reasoning:

A) If we keep Lemon- it's going to be tough to pull a well-known PC....knowing Lemonizik is on the hottest of seats

B) Firing him 2 seasons removed from a Natty is going to limit choices in the hiring process.

C) Firing him and GoTro as well will likely cause a major roster exodus as well as harm our recruiting class. Which will make it even tougher for the next coach to rebuild.

Ya'll thought I was full of it when I mentioned Arnett back in November- and look where we are now? Just something to ponder on the next couple of weeks.

I and Cooter have been saying this for over a month. We should have fired Lemo already and given Gotro the reigns as a trial run.
05-10-2023, 02:33 PM
maroonmania

Is Gotro a hard ass?? If not we don't need him. Most all the successful baseball coaches, including Cohen, seem to have that characteristic. Nice guys just don't get the job done as head coaches. The culture becomes soft as baby poo.
05-10-2023, 02:34 PM
Saltydog

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

If we do fire him, we need to act like a top 5 baseball program in the country.

It should be a national search and we try to hire the best guy in the country.

Or we could do what we did in football and take the easy way out, which is the MSU way of doing things. . . . .I will say this though, unlike our baseball program, our football program has far less national appeal or prominence and we may not have been able to do any better than Zach to begin with. . . .I don't feel that way about our baseball program.....
05-10-2023, 03:01 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

Or we could do what we did in football and take the easy way out, which is the MSU way of doing things. . . . .

Arnett took over In a program that was at least winning at a reasonable clip. Gotro would be taking over a program that he was a big part of that just finished last in the SEC the previous 2 seasons. Hard to have any confidence in that move.
05-10-2023, 03:02 PM
Saltydog

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Is Gotro a hard ass?? If not we don't need him. Most all the successful baseball coaches, including Cohen, seem to have that characteristic. Nice guys just don't get the job done as head coaches. The culture becomes soft as baby poo.

Not from what I understand.......
05-10-2023, 03:08 PM
viverlibre

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

If we do fire him, we need to act like a top 5 baseball program in the country.

It should be a national search and we try to hire the best guy in the country.

Concur, I have no idea why our fans think we can't get a great coach. The fact Lemon juice won one so quickly/easily should be a sign to every baseball coach in the country, who's goal it is to win a natty, to come to MSU to make their dreams a reality.
05-10-2023, 03:34 PM
KB21

If I hired an assistant to be head coach, then I?d just hire Corey Muscara to be the head coach.
05-10-2023, 03:40 PM
calidawg

This is all so f'ed up. How did we get here.
05-10-2023, 04:00 PM
Saltydog

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Originally Posted by calidawg

This is all so f'ed up. How did we get here.

ONLY at Mississippi State could we take something so good and turn it into absolute shit......
05-10-2023, 04:22 PM
ScooterDog

Sandjunky may have the most $$ affordable idea yet. Keep Lemo and clean house, replace everybody else with all new assistants. After all, don?t the assistants do the most teaching and training? A novel idea indeed, and something to think about.
05-10-2023, 04:25 PM
civildawg

If you fire Lemo, which he should be, you better have a coach locked down already. We have seen how this has played out before, surely we?ve learned our lesson.
05-10-2023, 04:38 PM
grandprairiedog

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Gonna have to take a hard look at making GoTro the guy. My reasoning:

A) If we keep Lemon- it's going to be tough to pull a well-known PC....knowing Lemonizik is on the hottest of seats

B) Firing him 2 seasons removed from a Natty is going to limit choices in the hiring process.

C) Firing him and GoTro as well will likely cause a major roster exodus as well as harm our recruiting class. Which will make it even tougher for the next coach to rebuild.

Ya'll thought I was full of it when I mentioned Arnett back in November- and look where we are now? Just something to ponder on the next couple of weeks.

Certainly would be ironic how Cannizaro was hired to land GoTro to the head man. . .
05-10-2023, 06:58 PM
TNDawg35

I don’t understand some of y’all… “If we fire Lemonis after a NC, it is gonna hurt our chances of hiring someone good.” I don’t get this. It isn’t like we are talking about 2 seasons where we went to a regional or even Hoover for that matter. I e are going to finish DEAD ****IN LAST 2 years in a row in the SEC not to mention not sniffing a NCAA tourney. If you can’t understand why he is fired and don’t want the job because of that, so be it. We don’t want you.

We aren’t loosing a whole roster of people. We will loose a couple and maybe even a good one or 2, but we aren’t loosing the whole damn roster. IF we get a new coach, he will keep who he wants and send who he doesn’t down the road. The days of 3-4 years to be competitive are over. We can be right back in the hosting Buble Next year. We just have to hit the portal. Plain and simple. So stop thinking this is a 5-10 year rebuild. It ain’t. It is literally an off-season rebuild now days. (Look and LSU this year and A&M last year) The right coach and boom. We are back.

Please no to Gotro. I’m tired of having games where our offense just magically makes the other pitcher look like Maddux or Nolan Ryan. How many games have we been 1-3 hit for the whole game. I want the electric offense. Let him go coach Bama.

Cheese has done nothing wrong to get fired. He has a raw freshman who we knew was raw and he has improved behind the plate in my eyes a lot. The hitting is down in average, but his blocking and overall behind the plate has been a lot better. You can’t blame Hancock on Cheese. Wasn’t his fault. That’s on Lemonis or whoever decided to bring him back as a captain.

Now I don’t know if Lemonis will be fired. I’m leaning toward he won’t. I’m not sure if that’s good or bad right now. I wouldn’t mind seeing him with a damn good pitching coach to be honest, but it’s above my pay grade of course. Go out, throw big money at a pitching coach and bring him in and let him hit the portal hard. There should be very VERY few pitchers that are on this roster for next year…
05-10-2023, 07:05 PM
Coach34

Well, if you purge GoTro- you will probably lose 3 and 4 in the order. That would mean losing 2, 3, 4, maybe 5, 6 should be given no choice to return, 7, and 8 in the batting order going into next season. Thats replacing alot
05-10-2023, 07:05 PM
HoopsDawg

Nice troll job by Coach34.
05-10-2023, 07:09 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Nice troll job by Coach34.

Kinda what I was thinking.
05-10-2023, 07:39 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Nice troll job by Coach34.

I happen to agree w a bunch of what he said. Not that I'm right either. But it's not a troll job.
05-10-2023, 07:53 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I happen to agree w a bunch of what he said. Not that I'm right either. But it's not a troll job.

Our fanbase is in such denial right now its crazy.

Our last search ended with us taking our 7th choice. We hired the f'ing coach from Indiana. We gonna fire a guy 2 years after a Natty and multiple arm injuries. Coaches arent f'ing stupid
05-10-2023, 08:03 PM
Coach34

and I'll add this- 50% of the time prospective coaches talk to the coach that was just fired to get his side of the story. Coaches know each other and talk
05-10-2023, 08:12 PM
viverlibre

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Our fanbase is in such denial right now its crazy.

Our last search ended with us taking our 7th choice. We hired the f'ing coach from Indiana. We gonna fire a guy 2 years after a Natty and multiple arm injuries. Coaches arent f'ing stupid

You realize we're two years from a natty? That wasn't the case when we hired Lemon Juice. He won it so quickly and easily, that any coach, whose goal it is to win a natty, would crawl on crushed glass to get here. Now there are certainly college baseball coaches who care more about job security than nattys, but that's not who we want, we want a coach with the singular focus of winning a natty. With our resources, atmosphere, support and recent history, we are probably the third-best job in college baseball for a coach wanting to win it all (behind LSU and Vandy). This wasn't the case the last time we had a coaching search. The natty changed everything.

It's criminal that Polk didn't stack up championships.
05-10-2023, 08:19 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I happen to agree w a bunch of what he said. Not that I'm right either. But it's not a troll job.

Yeah it's a low key troll job. We aren't hiring GoTro as our next head coach. He doesn't think we are getting a top tier guy (I agree) so he's throwing out GoTro's name to get a message board reaction.
05-10-2023, 08:42 PM
EdwardDrayton

1) We should and will fire Lemo.

(2) We can have any coaches we want. We pay as well as anyone, have unparalleled facilities, have the best and largest fanbase and a strong legacy. Any coach that does not want the job will have personal reasons for staying where they are that have nothing to do with us. Except maybe for the schools if they have children.

(3) We have the ability to keep any player(s) we choose.

(4) Unlike football and basketball, we are college baseball royalty.
05-10-2023, 08:45 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

You realize we're two years from a natty? That wasn't the case when we hired Lemon Juice. He won it so quickly and easily, that any coach, whose goal it is to win a natty, would crawl on crushed glass to get here. Now there are certainly college baseball coaches who care more about job security than nattys, but that's not who we want, we want a coach with the singular focus of winning a natty. With our resources, atmosphere, support and recent history, we are probably the third-best job in college baseball for a coach wanting to win it all (behind LSU and Vandy). This wasn't the case the last time we had a coaching search. The natty changed everything.

It's criminal that Polk didn't stack up championships.

Third best job?? Wow.
05-10-2023, 08:46 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

1) We should and will fire Lemo.

(2) We can have any coaches we want. We pay as well as anyone, have unparalleled facilities, have the best and largest fanbase and a strong legacy. Any coach that does not want the job will have personal reasons for staying where they are that have nothing to do with us. Except maybe for the schools if they have children.

(3) We have the ability to keep any player(s) we choose.

(4) Unlike football and basketball, we are college baseball royalty.

Look I'm on the fence of keeping him or not. But you're living in fantasy land. 2- already been proven wrong. 3- we will lose some this year that will prove that statement badly incorrect. 4- in your eyes.
05-10-2023, 08:47 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Yeah it's a low key troll job. We aren't hiring GoTro as our next head coach. He doesn't think we are getting a top tier guy (I agree) so he's throwing out GoTro's name to get a message board reaction.

I don't think we will hire goat either. But it's not out of this world.
05-10-2023, 09:01 PM
msstate7

If we get desperate enough to hire Jake, just take Scott Berry from usm
05-10-2023, 09:04 PM
civildawg

The same guy that told us no way we were firing Lemonis all year is now saying who we will/won?t hire.
05-10-2023, 09:06 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If we get desperate enough to hire Jake, just take Scott Betty from usm

I don't think we hire goat either. Just that I've heard crazier. That's all. Players do like him.
05-10-2023, 09:08 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by civildawg

The same guy that told us no way we were firing Lemonis all year is now saying who we will/won?t hire.

Go back and read his OP. Don't think he said we were firing lem. And don't think he said we were hiring goat. Maybe I missed all that.
05-10-2023, 09:08 PM
msstate7

If we going with an assistant, get Wes Johnson
05-10-2023, 10:15 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If we going with an assistant, get Wes Johnson

Terrible. MiniMe is not a HC

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