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Bad news on that scenario. There were more Soviet Troops on the ground than Americans. Also, Soviet Troops were battle hardened and ours were rookies in their first year of combat. Or Marines got battle hardened in the Pacific because they were actually in combat, our European troops were in England waiting for orders to attack on D Day. We could not nuke them because we would have nuked as many Americans as Soviets in the same area. If we had a third nuke and did Moscow, the Soviets right next to us would have been really motivated and not many American troops would have gone home alive?
Have you lost your 17ing mind? Do you have the first 17ing clue as to how much war toys the Brits sent to Stalin via that frozen body of water while getting ass 17'd' by Nazi U-Boats? Who the 17 do you think was getting that shit to England while getting our own asses kicked by those 17ing U-Boats. Thank God the Brits got that Enigma Code and mastered Sonar tech.
What the Russian people did to thwart Nazis is one of the most miraculous events in world history. The starvation, death and destruction they went thru and overcoming then revenge was Old Testament stuff.
17 Eisenhower. Patton wuz rite. We woulda wiped our asses with Bolschevick blood.
The Soviet Union of 1945 was far different than the Soviet Union of 1940. Their war machine was up and running. Most of what you stated is correct enigma code, u boats, and assistance that helped build the Soviet war machine. But the end game is 1945 and the Soviet Union retooled itself and did about 90% of the damage to the Nazis. The allies only got on the mainland for about a year in the fight, the Soviets troops were battle hardened and ours were not at that level because of lack of combat experience. Our troops in Europe were not of the quality as those in the Pacific just that simple. This is real history not John Wayne history and I have not lost my mind.
Best answer I've ever heard to this particular dilemma was from a former boss of mine. Crusty old guy and a huge State fan. Somebody asked him who he wanted to win between Ole Miss and Bama. He answered, "I hope they both lose and the got-damn stadium burns down."
Yes! Using this moving forward
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If you research the siege of Berlin you will notice that the US Military accepts 80,000 Red Army troops died to achieve that objective. Remember, these are very experienced and battle hardened troops. They knew how to kill an enemy. The Red Army was killing Nazis for 4 years before US and British troops set foot on the Continent. If you look at the attached article you will read a conclusion of the United States Military that only 3 in 10 US troops fired their weapons during combat during WW2.
If US troops were put in the same tactical situation as the Red Army, the 80,000 number would probably explode well over 100,000 because most US troops had a problem killing the enemy like Red Army troops, read the article accepted by the US Military.
Generals Eisenhower and Omar Bradly also had to baby sit petulant subordinate generals Montgomery and Patton. Both Generals were in it for their personal glory and gain. Those two petulant generals could care less about how many US lives it would take to upgrade their personal status.
Generals Eisenhower and Bradly keenly understood their troops and decided that it was more acceptable that petulant Montgomery and Patton be constrained to save tens of thousands if not over 100,000 US troops so they could go home alive.
Onions chop when I watch those survivors from The Bulge tell it. Our general wrote "NUTS" was delivered to the German commander's surrender request. Thank God the clouds dissipated so we could drop supplies and save the day. Not tough enough to whip Ruskies? Kiss my ass.
Eisenhower DEMANDED we let Satan take Berlin. Satan sure as 17 wasn't killing too many Nazis when Barbaroso initiated. Satan had all his great commanders murdered before the war cuz Commies hate smart people. They were getting ass 17'd till winter set in. You are an unpatriotic dumbass dissing Patton.
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My father was a Chief Petty Officer in the US Navy which means that I was raised in a disciplined environment. I did six years active duty in the US Navy. I actually made E6 at six years but got out. I had a Non Compartmented Top Secret Clearance while stationed at Holy Loch UK. I spent 18 years at Naval Station North Island in San Diego and Marine Corps Air Station San Diego as a Navy Civilian, not contractor. My Top Secret Clearance was downgraded to Secret because I was not working in as sensitive nature as on active duty. I went to JUCO and have a substantial education thru the USN as a fill in supervisor in addition to my technical skills.
If I was tasked to do a job on a nuclear reactor on an FBM Submarine in Holy Loch or working a task on an F/A-18 jet fighter in San Diego, I needed the discipline and knowledge for achievement. Likewise, if I was tasked to instruct subordinates, I needed discipline and knowledge also. I have lived a life of discipline not known to many Americans.
I also use that discipline with academics which include studies in history. My discipline to look up technical directives, done all my life, just carried over to my learning of history. I use a military approach to learning World War 2. I read what the US Military accepts as credible. I do not watch John Wayne movies for a knowledge base.
Based on a military disciplined approach you were correct that General Eisenhower insisting the Red Army siege Berlin. Based on US military doctrine after WW2 it was presented that US Troops were terrified and only 3 in 10 fired their weapons at the enemy. Military War College curriculum, at service academies, OCSs, and war colleges, was added post WW2 to teach hatred, to troops, to get them more aggressive to kill another human being. This is in the past attachment presented to you.
Generals Eisenhower and Bradly agreed on the Red Army siege because they understood that if only 3 in 10 would pull the trigger, the US Army would sustain an unacceptable casualty total. The war was winding down and Eisenhower understood the complete tactical situation.
That tactical situation even carried thru to the 1970s. I was assigned to Site One, Submarine Squadron 14, out of Holy Loch, Scotland from December 1970 thru April 1974. I have attached a link about that command that existed from 1961 to 1992. Needless to say, I learned the Commands mission.
During that time period my Command was the only submarine command with the upgraded weapons from Polaris to Poseidon missiles. Rota Spain got upgraded in 1975. Site One assets could strike at 2500 miles with multiple warheads. The rest of the navy subs could only strike 1000 miles with single warhead. Site One assets were directed to the Artic, off the Soviet Coast, to sit in an underwater valley and wait for launch orders.
It was known by our Command that NATO did not have enough assets to withstand a Soviet land attack and incursion at the time, even with Theatre Based Missiles. Site One assets were so powerful that it leveled the playing field. We at Site One, Submarine Squadron 14 understood the seriousness of our efforts. Both the Soviets and NATO had intercept capabilities for ICBMs, intercontinental ballistic missiles at distance but not FBMs fleet ballistic missiles launched at short distance.