You're on the clock next year. This shit is unacceptable. The Natty honeymoon is over. Shape up next year or ship out
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You're on the clock next year. This shit is unacceptable. The Natty honeymoon is over. Shape up next year or ship out
I don't see how he can turn it around next year. I just don't get how the more this becomes lemonis' team, the worse we're getting.
monster class is required, full of hitters and SEC ready pitchers. quite a task to simply produce a .500 SEC team from where this one sits.
Since Lemonis is now in shape and shit, he needs to get his ass out and hit the road starting the day after we lose to UT in the last game of the year. Pack your bags slim. You've got work to do. You've been feasting off the scraps from Cann but that excuse is over now. Get it done or get out.
Never thought I would have said this but you can not go into next season with the same players and same approach as this season. When things turn out to be a disaster like this, changes have to be made. And no I?m not talking about the coach, yet.
Baseball is a different beast. Lemonis will shoulder the blame for the abysmal season this year and he will if next year is just as bad. However, look at baseball coaches around the league. They have been there for a long time and are given time to work. He will be here a while, but he needs to go into the off season with the intent of pushing the coaches and players to their limits. No more inflated egos after this season. I want to see our players improve
I understand that, but how did he do in his first 2-3 years? I know Lemonis wasn?t coaching his recruits, but he still had this team in Omaha in the last few years. Hell I want to say Lemonis has been to Omaha more times then OM and S. Miss. Of course that could be the pool side margaritas talking
I have zero doubt that lemonis can coach a team. I have big doubts now that he can build a team. Vitello has proven he can build a winner, and he's doing in a time frame that we're saying isnt achievable for lemonis. Is Tenn that much more attractive to recruits that they can get them right away and we have to wait till 8th graders MAYBE make it college?
So, we are going to hire another new coach, making it our fifth in, what, seven years? Then we lose 3/4 of our commits and ya’ll are wondering why we suck when we can’t beat the rest of the league with left over recruits that we poached from usm, uab, and Memphis in an effort to fill out a roster.
Look at florida. O’Sullivan is supposed to be a whiz bang coach, recruits lights out every year and they have badly underperformed the last few years. It’s baseball and it is the SEC.
My biggest concern with our coaching staff right now is, did they genuinely think this team was going to be in the top half of the league, even without the injuries? Without injuries, I think we fight to get to 15-15 but do and make the tournament. We never should have been in the discussion for repeating anything.
Ya’ll chill out. Augie Garrido wasn’t winning with this situation.
IMO Foxhall and especially Gotro had better fix pitching and hitting. The approach and the swing at the plate has not been adjusted one damn bit since day one of the season. We are the same horrible hitting team that started the season. A coach should be able to tweak a batters swing ever so slightly to make better contact with the ball.
I?m angry at this team for their lack of attitude. They are a embarrassment to a lot of former players that wore the M over S. This series Florida shoved up our back hole and made us like it. That is unacceptable!
Lemonis pulled all the right strings last year. And we had some luck along the way. And we had a few extreme Alphas that were ultra competitive and clutch performers.
This weekend we had 1st & 2nd with no outs 2 or 3 times and didn't score. Tanner Leggett hasn't played in 3 weeks and he has been perfect laying down bunts every time he has been asked to do so. Pinch hit him in those situations we win at least 1 this weekend. It's absolutely unfathomable if he didn't at least consider it.
I'm shocked about our hitting this year. We started 6 of our 9 guys that started the national championship.
We replaced dubrule with Yeager which is a pretty big upgrade.
We replaced Tanner Allen with Hunter Hines.
And we replaced Rowdey with Jess Davis who has played a ton of college baseball. Amazing the difference. Tanner Allen was unreal.
Y'all need to back away from the ledge. It's a bad year. Coach ain't going anywhere. Nobody is unless they get a HC job.
Now I will say this. I am pissed Lemonis did not get tossed last night in the 9th. That ump deserved to have a new ear hole
Most of these players were recruited by Cannizarro. So, it's still not really his team. I'd say based on Will Bednar and Hunter Hines getting his recruits in may be a positive.
You're exactly right. I think the root of the problem is our coaches are way too hands off. They just want to fill out a lineup card and let the boys play. Can't do that with college players unless you have enough that are advanced to handle it like we had last year with Sims, Tanner, and Rowdey.
Foxhall always has our starter go 6 IP come hell or high water and then the next go throws 2 IP no matter what and then no matter what we're bringing someone else out for the 9th. He has done an AWFUL job this year and I'm pissed off at him just thinking about some of the stupid shit I've seen. Leaving starters in too long. Letting pitchers who have been blown apart have multiple opportunities while others sit. Pitching the ****ing shortstop while Fristoe doesn't even pitch that week and Pico throws 13 pitches. Our pitchers mechanics are inconsistent- leading to walks and bombs. He doesn't have a good feel for the game at all. Rarely makes a mound visit even when guys are getting blown apart- just leaves them in to figure it out. That's not coaching. That's just half assed.
Gautreau is the same as just letting them do their own thing at the plate. We could hit 100 lazy fly balls and all he does is have them bump their chest twice like some magic genie is going to pop out of there. Same thing as Foxhall- he has to COACH the hitters instead of sitting on his ass and expecting them to do something. Use a line drive approach. Especially when guys are struggling. And then his recruiting screwed us because he kept getting power hitters and hasn't really gone after anyone that has a high OBP for the MIF/CF spots. Which hurts the offense further because we can't do any of the small ball stuff to manufacture runs.
We're about to find out how much Lemonis really wants to win or if he has his head up his ass. I may be giving the benefit of the doubt but I think he wants to win.
So far Lemonis has been more successful than Vitello in one less year. And yeah I get that we were a better situation. But Tennessee also didn't have to change four coaches in four years either. That hurts recruiting- and it's part of the problem right now too. Probably moreso next year.
You're right about the assistants but I don't fault the players as much when they aren't being coached.
Probably more Dave Van Horn.
Well I hope Lemonis tells Foxhall to put his resume' out then. If those two stay they better get off their ass and start coaching these players. And we need to redefine how we build our team. Lemonis isn't on the hot seat- I agree. But right now Foxhall and Gautreau will be. Our fans and our AD is not going to allow MSU baseball to be mediocre for long without making some kind of change. And those two will be gone before Lemonis.
I agree. Would be nice if Lemonis would have at least gotten ejected last night. It's a bad look that he didn't honestly. Our season is on the line and we're going to let the Ump Show dictate the outcome while we sit our ass on a bucket? Weak optics.
Yeah that was dumb. But remember the reason why Leggett was in the lineup was because we had to save pitchers for Mizzou so we "had to" pitch our shortstop which took his bat and glove out of the lineup? And then we didn't even use two of our best relievers while we lost the series.
That was a textbook exhibit A example of why you manage the game in the present and don't worry about saving or holding pitchers back. If you run out of pitching you run out of pitching but you don't concede games to try to win others. Baseball is way too unpredictable to do that.
Nobody is saying he should be fired NOW, so no need for the "step away from the ledge" and "chill out" posts. BUT, this is not a program that is accustomed to missing the postseason, so he needs to figure it out or his seat will heat up quick next year. In the day and age of the portal, there is no excuse for two bad years in a row with our stadium, atmosphere, fans, and coming off of a National Championship. No Excuse. So again, he's safe now, but he needs to right the ship in a big way next season.
And if we don't see a total youth movement to end the season, I will question if he's the man for the job long term. You have got to find out who can get it done, and you might as well start now. Zero reason not to.
Polk missed postseason 9 times and Cohen 3 times. Let's not pretend we haven't missed some postseason here and there. Hell, Lemonis hasn't even missed a CWS until this year. Two full seasons, two CWS. Had a damn good team in the Covid year too. Only coach with a Natty. Y'all getting crazy. We aren't the AL of college baseball or something.
We'll bring in some people and see how it goes. We'll be young/inexperienced depth wise. We basically missed one year of recruiting due to the Canz crap putting behind. That year has to be corrected with good portal guys. Problem is, the baseball portal isn't the same as the football portal where AL can go get a good player from LSU. We won't go get a 5 star transfer that can just be our ace.
I expect a good offseason in the portal. Or at least we better have one. We need legit hitters and pitchers. Because right now, we don't have any.
I'm of the opinion that we'll have addition by subtraction with some of our current guys moving on. Some of our "leaders" have good numbers and will always be legends for winning a national title last year, but they've completely dropped the ball as leaders this year.
And Cadaver is right. Lemonis has to play Aaron Downs, Slate Alford, and any younger guy with a pulse. There's no reason Luke Hancock and Kam James should be taking ABs away from someone who could help us next year.
If you can't build momentum after a Natty, when can you? It's not crazy to think that a year after a Natty when we return 6 of 9 starters, we should make a Regional. Not crazy at all. The injuries hurt, for sure, but we sucked before them. All I'm saying is, if Lemonis can't hit the portal and recruiting trail and promise immediate playing time at THIS program where it is now...he may be Gene Chizik. I hope he's not, and I'm not saying he is...I'm just saying he better turn it around next year or many, including myself, will think he's unable to build a program and can only win with a roster of studs recruited by someone else.
With transfer portal and NIL, this isn't the Polk days where you just keep a coach forever and hope he has some great years mixed in amongst the shitty ones. That's a good way to find yourself wasting a National Championship and at the bottom of the league. Baseball is all we've got, let's face it....we can't afford to let it crumble bc we're still high off of a Title. I want Lemonis to feel some pressure so he will produce.
If he is worth his salt...he's pissed and will turn it around next year. That's what I'm hoping for, bc I actually like him.
Losing is frustrating. But this thread is full of stupid. And I'm being kind.
I'd feel a lot better if the down year was bc we were playing a lot of promising young players. I don't see it though, and that should be worrisome to everyone whether they'll admit it or not
Here's the problem. People have no clue obviously how baseball recruiting works. We did build momentum. Our 24/25 classes are insane.. that's off of the ship. We still have guys playing that committed to COHEN. Think about that. And for those that are comparing vitello, he walked into a dump which is tough to turn aroun. BUT, it allows you to punt the entire roster and start from scratch. Lem took us the series twice and missed a great opportunity for 3. Would y'all be happy if he didn't do that so he could get "his" guys?? Hell no. Just back away for a minute. We've Invented ways to lose. Lots is injuries and poor play to top. I'm not saying lem isn't open for criticism, but this is nuts.
Yep, Homedawg's post makes some sense, but he isn't factoring in the portal. And again, nobody is saying fire him....but he also doesn't get a 5 year pass full of sucking. You're a coach...COACH. Coach what you've got. Players matter, sure, but coach the ones you DO have. He did a poor job this year...as did Foxhall and GoTro
And if there's some stupid unwritten rule about talking to other teams' recruits that committed in the 8th grade, break it. I love baseball, but the good ol' boy crap in baseball is what makes it keep falling farther and farther behind.