Yeah the media has been reporting on the potential mutation for a while. It's actually old news. I've seen it reported often.
We need more people paying attention to what's going on.
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Yeah the media has been reporting on the potential mutation for a while. It's actually old news. I've seen it reported often.
We need more people paying attention to what's going on.
Stuff is getting real in Italy. People need to start staying home. This can happen here. It's a very legitimate threat
Italians over 80 'will be left to die' as country overwhelmed by coronavirus
https://www.yahoo.com/news/italians-...151225888.html
Coronavirus victims in Italy will be denied access to intensive care if they are aged 80 or more or in poor health should pressure on beds increase, a document prepared by a crisis management unit in Turin propose.
Some patients denied intensive care will in effect be left to die, doctors fear.
The document, produced by the civil protection deparment of the Piedmont region, one of those hardest hit, says: "The criteria for access to intensive therapy in cases of emergency must include age of less than 80 or a score on the Charlson comorbidity Index [which indicates how many other medical conditions the patient has] of less than 5."
Tupelo has 2 cases tonight. It will be reported in the morning.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Not sure what to think here buddy. Should we tweet at Tupelo people to see if they've heard anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bert Stare
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Originally Posted by Bert Stare
Bullshit
We had a group of friends get sick and test negative for the flu with the inhouse test but the ones that then got the more expensive test that was sent to the lab ended up testing positive. Only a couple of them got the more expensive test b/c the doctors or NPs said a positive test wouldn't change much and the copay for the more expensive test would likely be as expensive as paying for the flu anti-viral out of pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
Over 100 cases in Louisiana is concerning. This stuff can spiral out of control.
It's spreading exponentially everywhere. That'll be 1000 in Louisiana by next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
We will start seeing hospitals fill up to the point it will cause real problems. We had some advanced warning. We had too many people ignore the advanced warning.....advanced waring from experts......hell we have people still ignoring it.
When the stuff does hit the fan, there will be no reason to be surprised. We know it is coming. We have known.
So much of the fallout that is coming will be our own fault. The ironic part is the people being ignorant and running around dismissing this and comparing it to the flu are doing so, because they are actually scared. Scared of "the media" and political parties. And because they fear experts and sound advice they think they need to act tough and ignore reality.
So in everyone's effort to not to "freak out" about the virus and show how "tough" they are......they will let their fear of "the media" and political parties cause problems.
I am honestly a bit shocked that so many people are scared of people with college degrees. Those evil smart guys in their lab coats
You see pictures of Bourbon Street two nights ago? Police had to disperse the crowds last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Also, pictures at Disney from last night were packed with people. Jesus, people...
And people are going to be shocked in a couple of weeks.....like this came out of the blue or something.....and then they will blame someone else.
It is mind boggling. People just intentionally ignoring the truth.
People are not scared of the media, they just rightly don't trust it. Our media is garbage. Even if they weren't hardcore partisans willing to spread misinformation if it helps "their side", they are mostly stupid and even the ones that aren't stupid aren't smart enough to understand what they don't understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadheaddawg
Even if we had some non-garbage media options, another problem is that we are a big country and different areas of the country need to take different precautions. Hell, different parts of different states need to take different precautions. People in New Orleans should probably be engaged in strict social distancing. People in Shreveport may be ok with more moderate social distancing. We just don't have good local media and health authorities that can credibly spread that messaging right now.
Bourbon is mind boggling. I get Disneyworld. For a lot of those people, it's a big time splurge to go to Disney world and not something they can just do again next year. Telling the kids you're leaving early is probably really hard. Plus presumably a lot of those people had already been in the parks the days before and felt like they were already exposed and helped justify it that way. And they are also probably relatively young so probably did some almost subconscious math about the risks to them personally while ignoring what systemic risk they were contributing to. May be a bad and/or selfish decision, but I get it. We've done Disney and do it more or less on the cheap and it's still expensive enough that I actually feel a little bad thinking about the type of financial sacrifice people are making to give their kids that experience. I have a hard time blaming those parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
But Bourbon I don't get at all. It's not all it's cracked up to be to begin with and for most people, it's not some once in a lifetime experience, at least because of the cost of doing it. And unlike Disneyworld, you already know New Orleans has become something of a hotspot for corona. Just mind boggling.
Did you read the articles just posted? It "might" be two strains but so far it appears to just be basic mutations. Not saying that it won't be two strains eventually. It probably will be. Much like the seasonal flu has mutated into two strains now (A&B). I firmly believe the coronavirus will become endemic. It will come back every fall and winter from here on out. Hopefully we have a vaccine by next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadheaddawg
Interestingly, they have a coronavirus vaccine entering phase 1 testing this week. Most folks don't realize what a scientific achievement that is. We have never been able to push a vaccine to phase 1 in a few months. That's the fastest ever. It's absolutely incredible and 100% on REALLY diligent work by some great scientist who are burning the candle at both ends to save lives. They will largely go unsung but they are real life heros. This goes for the doctors and nurses across the globe who are gathering the data and treating the sick as well.
Maybe because hard liquor kills the coronavirus!!**Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
I will be interested to see what happens in China in the coming weeks. They are down to about 10 new cases per day now. Down from about 500 per day last week. The quarantine works very well because it limits where the virus can go. With that said, what happens when the quarantine is lifted. Does it jump back up and start all over again or is it effectively gone. If it is contagious as reported (which it appears to be), along with long incubation periods and half-life on surfaces then unless they eradicated every bit of the virus it will all just start right back up again once people begin to mingle once more.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadheaddawg
People need to learn the difference between facts and opinions/editorializing. Underlying facts with links matter, just because the writer may propose some opinions based on those facts that you disagree with doesn't change the facts. Rarely does the media outright lie about facts, but people call it #fakenews when they don't like the opinion deduced from this facts instead of actually addressing the facts themselves. It's lazy, it's ignorant, and it shows a lack of confidence in one's own intelligence to make cohesive argument against the underlying facts so they attack the messenger instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
That's no entirely true - often times people in media try to call opinions facts or manipulate information to appear as fact without disclosing the full story.
In this situations there are some hardcore facts but there is also a bunch of speculation mixed into it. The truth is there is a lot we don't know. Obviously any extreme measures are going to produce more guaranteed results and that's what we are after but extreme measure also have extreme repercussions to other things as well so determining proper acceptable risk is complicated.
Reporters need to learn the difference between facts and editorializing. And it doesn't matter whether you think the media outright lies or not, they are intentionally misleading on a regular basis, so people can't take their reports at face value. They either purposefully provide misleading "context" or just omit facts and context that are relevant b/c it doesn't support their "side". Even assuming people have the ability to track down facts from the sources mentioned in an article (which is not always the case when the sources aren't available online), that's still much less helpful than having credible media providing information people can rely on without having to do independent research.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs