He wasn't even a great guy. We should have done our due diligence when his home school bama wouldn't even hire him. Hail State!
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And tied the record for the most wins of a first year coach @ MSU.
So funny how some of you are stil upset with the "kick rocks" comment. lol
That is because most coaches come in after a complete disaster. Moorhead came in with the deck stacked. JWS came in with a mess and immediately turned around. So did Mullen. Moorhead winning some games in year 1 is apples and oranges. It was more about what he inherited - talent and a culture that didn't need to be led but did the leading.
I didn't say he ruined the program. I specifically said he was in the process of it when we fired him.
He averaged 7-5, which is the same thing Dan averaged (7.1-4.9). I suspect leach will be about the same. The difference is Joe took over a Ferrari and leach inherited a Taurus.
And I don't know if some people remember this but Moorhead said we had a culture problem. He was letting guys decide when they wanted to practice or cutting practices short or when to work out with Captain Marshmallow. Yet, he thought we had a culture problem. That guy was a disease of incompetence.
We were trending down in a hurry under Moorhead. Had we kept him another year, that 2020 team goes 1-9 or 0-10.
Exactly. They were both terrible head coaches and hires for different reasons. Time to put that argument to bed. We now have a good coach that is trying to fix the problems and develop a new system while also going up against a brutal schedule for the 3rd year in a row. 2018 is just a lot more frustrating than anything during the Croom error because we had no talent or expectations going into any of the Croom seasons the way we did with Moorhead in 2018.
Took over a Ferrari? These are the kind of statements that just don't make sense to me. And I say that respectfully.... How was the 2017 team that Mullen left behind a Ferrari? We had a very good defense returning but Defense only makes up a part of a football team, Offense and Special teams play a huge part also.... Look at the 2017 schedule, our best wins were #12 LSU, TAMU and Arky that year.....we lost against Georgia, Auburn, Bama and Ole Miss and finished at 9-4 which was a solid finish for us...but not a Ferrari
Very good? You mean elite. He took over the best defense in the country. Three first rounders. Nobody had more.
He took over a three year starter at qb who is the best running qb ever in the league, an nfl back, Aries, and a veteran OL with an all pro center.
Honestly there are coaches on this board who could have taken over that team and did better than 8-4.