IMHO no previous FB staff member should be retained, NOBODY!

IMHO due to bad juju & bad karma from 2023 season - no previous coach should be retained or kept.

A new coach probably does not want to balance a NEW VISION with a previous vision and staff, considered old, not by age but by vision. This is a new vision, a new mentality, a new way of running a football program. We can't have any previous coach blocking the positive vision & goals coming now from Lebby.

I suspect Lebby has his own guys who are LIGHT YEARS LEGIT ahead of the 2023 staff.

As far as recruiting - one can already see Lebby will be able to connect to MS players, families, mothers, grandma, etc. I don't think he will need ANY previous coach from last year to do this. He knows how to recruit, doesn't need dated ideas from last year.

Before you sentimentalist start talking about Bump or Hughes or Turner - there are more qualified, better performing coaches who have SEC experience & who taught a WR how to catch a football, taught an RB how to run & block or taught a DL how to rush a QB from the DL. Some of you act like Bump/Hughes/Turner are somehow sacred??? I hate to say this, but sadly, the game has past all of them by, it's sad and honest truth. Now, with Bump, he just doesn't have a track record of performance with WR players req. in the SEC. I don't mind him working for the University in some kind of funding role or something for NIL since he is still young, but not on the field. Lebby can find a much better WR coach.

Sadly, if you take out the emotions: they all had their chance and all of their performance results came back as: 5-7 w/Egg Bowl loss and 1-7 in the SEC.

This is the only thing to analyze: data, results and performance. These guys did not perform or could not connect or didn't have the energy left as they once did. Again, appreciate all their efforts and work for MSU FB, but their time has passed.

I'd happily donate some of my vCash so you could hire an editor with a penchant for brevity.***

Someone forgot his ADD Meds this morning/ Sorry Tater.

I get your point but miss isn't the same as other states in recruiting someone needs to know the lay of the land. Now if the head of recruiting doesn't listen, ie emerick and Dudek then it doesn't matter and fire em all.

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I get your point but miss isn't the same as other states in recruiting someone needs to know the lay of the land. Now if the head of recruiting doesn't listen, ie emerick and Dudek then it doesn't matter and fire em all.

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Speaking of head of recruiting, whom is going to fill the GM role? I'm assuming we will have one

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Someone forgot his ADD Meds this morning/ Sorry Tater.

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Naah, Tater never let his cat sit on the keyboard.

We aren't getting rid of everybody, so your juju is yours.

Nah, we should keep Bump

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Nah, we should keep Bump

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Does not sound like we will and honestly that might be best. Our receivers were bad last year. There is no way around it. Whether he was being hamstrung by Barbay, or Peterson, or Arnett, or whoever it really does not matter. At the end of the day he is the position coach and that position looked terrible. Running into each other, wrong routes, missed assignments, drops, etc. I mean that position group had a ton of problems. And honestly if the only reason we are keeping him is Harrell and to have a shot at Cunningham then we need to move on anyways.

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I'd happily donate some of my vCash so you could hire an editor with a penchant for brevity.***

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I’m in on that.

Ok let's get this straight. To remove bad juju and get the swag going we need to get rid of everyone one that had anything to do with the previous staff and all the old blue haired fans. It would be better to relocate the dead Indians that have had some major bad juju over us for years.

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Nah, we should keep Bump

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I have seen do many say this and have yet to understand why. This offense was awful, like historically bad. And it’s not recruiting that is also just plain awful. I guess the rationale is that he is a beloved player from the past. Correct.

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Nah, we should keep Bump

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Why? Our WR were pretty bad and his recruiting is nothing impressive

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I have seen do many say this and have yet to understand why. This offense was awful, like historically bad. And it’s not recruiting that is also just plain awful. I guess the rationale is that he is a beloved player from the past. Correct.

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I have came to the same conclusion. If this was Mike Schmidt coaching receivers or Kevin Barbay and they looked like this we would have been screaming for them to go. Some are trying to make excuses because Bumphis played at State. His group was just plain BAD. They had way too much talent and ability to look like they did this year.

His opinion is anything but humble.... or experienced

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I have seen do many say this and have yet to understand why. This offense was awful, like historically bad. And it’s not recruiting that is also just plain awful. I guess the rationale is that he is a beloved player from the past. Correct.

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It's the same reason multiple people have pushed for Boobie to be hired as RB coach. Do you remember that a few years ago?

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It's the same reason multiple people have pushed for Boobie to be hired as RB coach. Do you remember that a few years ago?

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Oh yea.

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Nah, we should keep Bump

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Why. His group was undisciplined on and off the field. Drops, wrong routes, blocking on pass plays, blindside blocks, suspensions, etc...

I don't mind Bump only because he is a former player and would like him to have to opportunity to excel under Lebby. BUT, if Lebby thinks he would be more of a burden then cut him loose.

If we can get Stonka back (which you can't blame on Bump), we'll sign 3 4-star WRs in his first recruiting cycle!

Bumphis is staying. And I don?t see how Bumphis can be judged by this dumpster fire of an offense this year. Kyle Whittingham obviously thought Bumphis could coach

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If we can get Stonka back (which you can't blame on Bump), we'll sign 3 4-star WRs in his first recruiting cycle!

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I get that line of thinking, but is it a good move to keep a coach for a recruit when he has no experience with the system coming in? That’s leveraging the future for one player don’t you think?

My take: Lebby gets to keep who he wants and not keep those he doesn't.

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Bumphis is staying. And I don?t see how Bumphis can be judged by this dumpster fire of an offense this year. Kyle Whittingham obviously thought Bumphis could coach

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I get that line of thinking, but is it a good move to keep a coach for a recruit when he has no experience with the system coming in? That’s leveraging the future for one player don’t you think?

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I don't know how anyone could look at everything going on on the field this year and even begin to blame Bump (or really even give him a true evaluation) for how the WRs played. The only thing that you can really evaluate him on is his recruiting, and he's KILLING that!

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I don't know how anyone could look at everything going on on the field this year and even begin to blame Bump (or really even give him a true evaluation) for how the WRs played. The only thing that you can really evaluate him on is his recruiting, and he's KILLING that!

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If the new guy wants to keep him and is comfortable with it then good. But to keep a guy because he’s a fan favorite that thinks he does one part of his job well makes zero sense.

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I don't know how anyone could look at everything going on on the field this year and even begin to blame Bump (or really even give him a true evaluation) for how the WRs played. The only thing that you can really evaluate him on is his recruiting, and he's KILLING that!

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Killing it?? He has gotten one recruit. Harrell. And maybe can get one back in Burnside. That is not killing it. Killing it would be multiple 4 and 5 stars. Again, I think you have to take the maroon colored glasses off. Whittingham and Ludwig have never had bad WR play at Utah so I do not think that is Bumphis as much as it is that offense and it being second nature at Utah.

I mean if Lebby wants to keep him then I am good with it. I just do not think we are going to lose all our receivers because Bumphis is let go.

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Killing it?? He has gotten one recruit. Harrell. And maybe can get one back in Burnside. That is not killing it. Killing it would be multiple 4 and 5 stars. Again, I think you have to take the maroon colored glasses off. Whittingham and Ludwig have never had bad WR play at Utah so I do not think that is Bumphis as much as it is that offense and it being second nature at Utah.

I mean if Lebby wants to keep him then I am good with it. I just do not think we are going to lose all our receivers because Bumphis is let go.

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I feel these ole boys believe way too much of what Rosey prints.

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Killing it?? He has gotten one recruit. Harrell. And maybe can get one back in Burnside. That is not killing it. Killing it would be multiple 4 and 5 stars. Again, I think you have to take the maroon colored glasses off. Whittingham and Ludwig have never had bad WR play at Utah so I do not think that is Bumphis as much as it is that offense and it being second nature at Utah.

I mean if Lebby wants to keep him then I am good with it. I just do not think we are going to lose all our receivers because Bumphis is let go.

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I mean he's being kept...so, it's kind of a moot point, but we're about to get Mario Craver...another 4-star, if we can get Stonka back, that's 3...have we ever signed 3 4-star receivers in the same class? Hell, have we ever signed 2?

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I mean he's being kept...so, it's kind of a moot point, but we're about to get Mario Craver...another 4-star, if we can get Stonka back, that's 3...have we ever signed 3 4-star receivers in the same class? Hell, have we ever signed 2?

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Whop, Guidry, and Heath. All in the same class.

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I mean he's being kept...so, it's kind of a moot point, but we're about to get Mario Craver...another 4-star, if we can get Stonka back, that's 3...have we ever signed 3 4-star receivers in the same class? Hell, have we ever signed 2?

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How has said he’s being kept?

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I feel these ole boys believe way too much of what Rosey prints.

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Well they have listened to Hadad, Rosebowl, and Faulk for years make him out to be the second coming of Brian Hartline. What most do not understand is that they do this because he feeds them info. Rosebowl still has other sources but Faulk and Hadad do not have any outside of him, other than being fed exactly what the program wants in the media.

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How has said he’s being kept?

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No one. Rosebowl and Faulk have just about resigned themselves to the fact that he will not be kept.

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No one. Rosebowl and Faulk have just about resigned themselves to the fact that he will not be kept.

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The on3 folks seem to be hinting around the exact opposite...Paul has even come out and said that he's going to be retained

Someone needs to take a Valium and calm down. It's all gonna be ok and lebby will get who he wants and there's absolutely people on this staff who we need to keep. Now if Lebby decides he doesn't want anyone then I'm good with that too.

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My take: Lebby gets to keep who he wants and not keep those he doesn't.

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100%!

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Someone needs to take a Valium and calm down. It's all gonna be ok and lebby will get who he wants and there's absolutely people on this staff who we need to keep. Now if Lebby decides he doesn't want anyone then I'm good with that too.

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^^^this!

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Someone needs to take a Valium and calm down. It's all gonna be ok and lebby will get who he wants and there's absolutely people on this staff who we need to keep. Now if Lebby decides he doesn't want anyone then I'm good with that too.

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Correct. I could care less who we keep/can. Getting rid of the brain fart trust of Arnett, Peterson, and Friend is the biggest gain in all of this.

Zac Selmon is the GM. We don't need a go between.

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100%!

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Amen to that, let tre man decide who he wants.

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Killing it?? He has gotten one recruit. Harrell. And maybe can get one back in Burnside. That is not killing it. Killing it would be multiple 4 and 5 stars. Again, I think you have to take the maroon colored glasses off. Whittingham and Ludwig have never had bad WR play at Utah so I do not think that is Bumphis as much as it is that offense and it being second nature at Utah.

I mean if Lebby wants to keep him then I am good with it. I just do not think we are going to lose all our receivers because Bumphis is let go.

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And he's going to pull Cunningham too. Probably about to get a guy that was committed to Auburn too.