5-7 and a bowl?

There's a pretty decent possibility because of the lack of available 6 wins teams, plus our APR we could get a bowl bid if we get to 5-7. The question is would we accept? Pros would be the main one to extend the bowl streak, and usually you want the extra practices, but with most likely a new staff who would run them? Cons would be staff is most likely to be fired, transfer portal and opt outs deplete the roster, and just wanting to end this dumpster fire of a season. What is the board opinion of what should we do if this happens?

I would accept, more reps for young players is never a bad thing and sending out the seniors who stayed through this gives them 1 last chance to play the game for many of them.

Solid. Accept.

Is this a debate?

Leach would accept

I'd accept, but it shouldn't even be a possibility. I hated it the previous 2 times also

No

Yea keep the bowl streak alive. There will still be a new staff coming in. Might as well let the kids enjoy Birmingham or wherever.

ETA: plus, it would be good exposure for our coaching search. All the commentators would talk about is the possible coaches and/or the coach who has accepted to position but will start after bowl season. It’s a win/win for the program and the faintest of silver linings.

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Solid. Accept.

Is this a debate?

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I don't know? Is it? Kinda the whole point of my creating the topic.

I drought that tickets would sell, too much apathy. Plus, no offence.

We did it before. Might as well do it again if given the option. I would be for it. If you decline you are a quitter.

If it means Arnett would stay then no. Otherwise, yea go ahead with it. It gives your new staff time to evaluate your returning guys with 3 weeks of extra practices.

You absolutely accept.

Accept and let the new hire coach it.

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Originally Posted by msudawg1200

There's a pretty decent possibility because of the lack of available 6 wins teams, plus our APR we could get a bowl bid if we get to 5-7. The question is would we accept? Pros would be the main one to extend the bowl streak, and usually you want the extra practices, but with most likely a new staff who would run them? Cons would be staff is most likely to be fired, transfer portal and opt outs deplete the roster, and just wanting to end this dumpster fire of a season. What is the board opinion of what should we do if this happens?

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Yeah we should accept. It's a no brainer. Doesn't mean Arnett would have to stay if that happens.

You accept just to get those younger guys reps. Assuming Arnett would be fired anyway, you are playing with house money. Nobody would expect you to win, and if you do, then great. Also, great point on keeping the bowl streak alive. Nobody mentions that we went to a bowl at 5-7 in that streak. Nobody will again.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Accept and let the new hire coach it.

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THIS^^^^^^ Huge way to let a new coach have an evaluation period and get to know the players. That's why it is imperative that Selmon has started this process and we have someone teed up to take over as close to November 24th as possible.

Yes ... and let Parson start

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

If it means Arnett would stay then no. Otherwise, yea go ahead with it. It gives your new staff time to evaluate your returning guys with 3 weeks of extra practices.

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Exactly this. It would be great to keep the bowl streak going.. though having TWO 5-7 exceptions makes it look weak but I guess who knows that than us.
No matter what though. This "era" i mean "error" has to end.

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

Exactly this. It would be great to keep the bowl streak going.. though having TWO 5-7 exceptions makes it look weak but I guess who knows that than us.
No matter what though. This "era" i mean "error" has to end.

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We have a 3-7 exception.

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Originally Posted by Tater

We have a 3-7 exception.

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Meh. Half the bowl teams that year had losing records.

Absolutely you play the bowl game

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This is the correct answer...

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Originally Posted by DesotoDog1967

Leach would accept

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Would Mullen accept or Jackie?

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Yea keep the bowl streak alive. There will still be a new staff coming in. Might as well let the kids enjoy Birmingham or wherever.

ETA: plus, it would be good exposure for our coaching search. All the commentators would talk about is the possible coaches and/or the coach who has accepted to position but will start after bowl season. It?s a win/win for the program and the faintest of silver linings.

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This is exactly why we should play. 3 years from now, no one will remember the bowl streak includes a few 3 & 5 win teams. Nobody mentions it now. Perfect for a coaching search for more PR and proving you can go to a bowl here and have some success (not that I'd call this year a success) but a bowl streak like we have is something that not many programs have done.

Is there any team higher than us on APR that we want to lose a few more games?

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Would Mullen accept or Jackie?

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Yes.
Mullen did in 2016

I can't think of any team declining a bowl game outside of the COVID years

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Is there any team higher than us on APR that we want to lose a few more games?

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Northwestern, Wake Forest, Rice, and Boise State are all higher and look to have a good shot at 5 wins. It'd actually be better for them to win and knock out teams that might get to 6-6 like Illinois, Syracuse, FAU, etc.
Here are some teams to root against: that could get to 6-6:
Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Maryland, Illinois, FAU, Navy, South Alabama, Marshall, Arky Stare, App St, ULL, Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Northern Illinois, Houston, BYU, TCU, Texas Texh, SD State, Colorado St, Utah St, San Jose St, Washington St, Colorado, and Florida.
I understand some of these teams play one another and some will get to 6-6. Either SD State or Colorado St falls out this week because they are both 3-6 and play each other. I'm counting James Madison and Jax State as bowl eligible because they get picked first if not enough teams qualify. There are 82 slots. Giving the four teams above us in APR slots, and looking at schedules I see at most 82-83 teams getting eligible. That's not happening. Not all of those teams I listed are going to get to six wins. If just one falls out we are the next team. I think it's a pretty good chance we get a bowl at 5-7.

My only concern is that CZA could keep his job through the bowl game and with an early signing period, I don't want to risk signing a bunch of Jucos in December.

I also want to at least take a shot at a new coach trying to land a few of the in-state kids. I really despise punting on a really talented in state class.

Don't we get paid to play in bowl games? Who gives a crap what bowl it is, why wouldn't we want the money? Ya'll talk like we broke. Better make that money when we can.

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Originally Posted by msudawg1200

Northwestern, Wake Forest, Rice, and Boise State are all higher and look to have a good shot at 5 wins. It'd actually be better for them to win and knock out teams that might get to 6-6 like Illinois, Syracuse, FAU, etc.
Here are some teams to root against: that could get to 6-6:
Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Maryland, Illinois, FAU, Navy, South Alabama, Marshall, Arky Stare, App St, ULL, Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Northern Illinois, Houston, BYU, TCU, Texas Texh, SD State, Colorado St, Utah St, San Jose St, Washington St, Colorado, and Florida.
I understand some of these teams play one another and some will get to 6-6. Either SD State or Colorado St falls out this week because they are both 3-6 and play each other. I'm counting James Madison and Jax State as bowl eligible because they get picked first if not enough teams qualify. There are 82 slots. Giving the four teams above us in APR slots, and looking at schedules I see at most 82-83 teams getting eligible. That's not happening. Not all of those teams I listed are going to get to six wins. If just one falls out we are the next team. I think it's a pretty good chance we get a bowl at 5-7.

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James Madison and Jxn St are not eligible.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

James Madison and Jxn St are not eligible.

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Yes they are if there are not enough 6 win teams, and there's not going to be. I factored that into my count.

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Yes they are if there are not enough 6 win teams, and there's not going to be. I factored that into my count.

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No they are not. You have to be in D1 for 2 years before you can be bowl eligible. JMU is trying to get an exception for this year, their second in D1, but right now they haven't received that from the NCAA. Jxn St won't get in no matter what, this is there first year in D1

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

No they are not. You have to be in D1 for 2 years before you can be bowl eligible. JMU is trying to get an exception for this year, their second in D1, but right now they haven't received that from the NCAA. Jxn St won't get in no matter what, this is there first year in D1

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I think that doesn't apply if there are not enough 6-6 teams. That's what the athletic article says at least

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

No they are not. You have to be in D1 for 2 years before you can be bowl eligible. JMU is trying to get an exception for this year, their second in D1, but right now they haven't received that from the NCAA. Jxn St won't get in no matter what, this is there first year in D1

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Her you go smartass
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nfl/col...7ce4ccdca72014
https://sports.yahoo.com/james-madis...155607355.html
Which is what I stated in my post if there are not enough 6 win teams. I know how College Football works.

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Her you go smartass
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nfl/col...7ce4ccdca72014
https://sports.yahoo.com/james-madis...155607355.html
Which is what I stated in my post if there are not enough 6 win teams. I know how College Football works.

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I wasn't being a smart ass at all. But I can be dipshit. That article is about them writing a letter to be bowl eligible this year, the NCAA still has not approved it. They are not in right now, like I said. They did the same thing last year but the NCAA ruled against them and let a 5-7 Rice team into the bowls. So no, as it's stands right now, neither JMU or Jxn St have the ability to be in the bowls this year and a 5-7 can be put in ahead of them, It happened just last year. Until the NCAA changes their previous rulings, they are not in. So obviously you don't know the rules.

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I think that doesn't apply if there are not enough 6-6 teams. That's what the athletic article says at least

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They have to get a waiver from the NCAA, they tried that last year and the NCAA denied them and put in Rice who was 5-7. In fact Rice got in over a 6-6 team because 2 of that schools wins were against FCS schools.

ETA, you are right on JMU but Jxn St still can't get in.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

They have to get a waiver from the NCAA, they tried that last year and the NCAA denied them and put in Rice who was 5-7. In fact Rice got in over a 6-6 team because 2 of that schools wins were against FCS schools.

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One of which had Kevin Barbay as OC

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One of which had Kevin Barbay as OC

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It was App St, I had forget who.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I wasn't being a smart ass at all. But I can be dipshit. That article is about them writing a letter to be bowl eligible this year, the NCAA still has not approved it. They are not in right now, like I said. They did the same thing last year but the NCAA ruled against them and let a 5-7 Rice team into the bowls. So no, as it's stands right now, neither JMU or Jxn St have the ability to be in the bowls this year and a 5-7 can be put in ahead of them, It happened just last year. Until the NCAA changes their previous rulings, they are not in. So obviously you don't know the rules.

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https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/bylawView?id=11780
So, we were both wrong. James Madison fits the criteria since it has one year left on it's probationary period. Jax State does not since it is in transition year 1. That's why Rice got in over JMU last year, but since they are in their 2nd year of transition they fit the rules like a 5-7 team. They would get a leftover bowl if they don't get the waiver. The waiver is for a big bowl. You were wrong on JMU. I was wrong on Jax State. I apologize for the smartass comment.