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11-02-2023, 06:37 PM
KB21

Ryan Grubb

https://realdawghuskies.com/__trashed/

Grubb is the guy to go after.
11-02-2023, 06:50 PM
KB21

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/...lege-football/

Former hog farmer. Those of that feel Zach fits so well because he has chickens should like that.
11-02-2023, 06:54 PM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

https://realdawghuskies.com/__trashed/

Grubb is the guy to go after.

We could probably do worse, but we have no idea if he can run a program, much less an SEC program. I see him as being a bit like Lebby except Lebby has been in this league and seems like a much better fit.

I would be excited but nervous as hell. High ceiling, basement level floor.
11-02-2023, 07:00 PM
msstate7

If we fire arnett this season, I say it's a 10% chance we hire a cood. It almost certainly will be a HC at a G5 school
11-02-2023, 07:00 PM
Really Clark?

I like the offense they are running but I'd rather have someone with SEC experience. Preferably they have ran an offense at different spots. Lebby, Longo...if we go offensive coordinator.
11-02-2023, 07:01 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If we fire arnett this season, I say it's a 10% chance we hire a cood. It almost certainly will be a HC at a G5 school

I think that's the most likely play, if it's the right guy.
11-02-2023, 07:05 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If we fire arnett this season, I say it's a 10% chance we hire a cood. It almost certainly will be a HC at a G5 school

I agree.
11-02-2023, 07:11 PM
KB21

I think a G5 coach raises our floor more than our ceiling.
11-02-2023, 07:13 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If we fire arnett this season, I say it's a 10% chance we hire a cood. It almost certainly will be a HC at a G5 school

If we wind up with Grubb the coaching search is a failure. We need a guy with head coaching experience. There are three or four really good coaches in the G5 arena that would damn near be home runs for us. Grubb would not.
11-02-2023, 07:17 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by KB21

I think a G5 coach raises our floor more than our ceiling.

You change your mind more than a woman. You've brought up and championed about 57 other coaches at one point or another. You were all about Helton not long ago and Herman
11-02-2023, 07:28 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

You change your mind more than a woman. You've brought up and championed about 57 other coaches at one point or another. You were all about Helton not long ago and Herman

No. I’ve always wanted a coach with huge upside. I’d be fine with Herman or Helton. I like Grubb and Lebby. I want a coach who isn’t going to play what I call big, dumb offense where you just line up and try to impose your will on the defense.
11-02-2023, 07:39 PM
Cooterpoot

We aren't bringing in an assistant from the west coat. You can forget that.
11-02-2023, 07:49 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We aren't bringing in an assistant from the west coat. You can forget that.

Cool. So you want to be eliminate the OC for the team that has the most productive offense in country.
11-02-2023, 07:58 PM
dawgday166

I don't usually engage in these future HC discussions especially when the current coach hasn't been fired yet BUT ... NO on Grubb. Risk level is at JoMo level looking at his coaching stops/stints. Very HIGH RISK. Not even close to enough experience and not even close to understanding the SEC at all from where he's been. This is maybe a slightly higher notch than Barbay.
11-02-2023, 07:59 PM
Santiago

If the Herman types are not available for us, then we might be revisiting some of KBs alternate guys.
11-02-2023, 08:02 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Santiago

If the Herman types are not available for us, then we might be revisiting some of KBs alternate guys.

Well then IMO ... I make the Herman types turn us down first. And then if they do, take a swing at Mullen maybe first.
11-02-2023, 08:04 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Santiago

If the Herman types are not available for us, then we might be revisiting some of KBs alternate guys.

Some of his alternates guys? They have all been his first choice at one point or another. Lol
11-02-2023, 08:09 PM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Well then IMO ... I make the Herman types turn us down first. And then if they do, take a swing at Mullen maybe first.

Mullen to me is going to be PolkII. He is lazy at this point, has no fire. hell he barely had fire after the Dak season. He was trying to get out of here each year after that.
11-02-2023, 08:10 PM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Some of his alternates guys? They have all been his first choice at one point or another. Lol

Would love to stumble onto a Heupel type coach.
11-02-2023, 08:14 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Mullen to me is going to be PolkII. He is lazy at this point, has no fire. hell he barely had fire after the Dak season. He was trying to get out of here each year after that.

Not necessarily arguing but I'm also hearing a few things (that I have no clue are true or not), that he seems to be somewhat active on X and some other social media interacting with MS State people. Not sure ... don't know.

ETA: Meaning ... maybe there is a little drive left in him and he knows what he can do at MSU and if he does that, he's probably here until he gets ready to retire (if he wants to be).

I would rather get a Herman type and would try my best to do that. If we go full OC type, then many years as one and someone who has worked under a very good coach at a very good program.

As Homedog said tho ... it's a crapshoot. MSU is a really difficult job for many reasons. And expectations are high. I do think that our fans might have some patience tho with a quality hire with a pretty proven track record. Probably not tho LOL SMH.
11-02-2023, 08:16 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Would love to stumble onto a Heupel type coach.

Well if I'm going to stumble into someone, how bout the next Saban or Smart? They may only stay for 3-4 years but with the new playoff structure coming...let's dream big if we are going to dream.
11-02-2023, 08:20 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by KB21

Cool. So you want to be eliminate the OC for the team that has the most productive offense in country.

That would be lsu if like traditional (total and scoring) or Michigan if you like FEI
11-02-2023, 08:26 PM
HoopsDawg

So far, Herman is the only name that intrigued me. Maybe Lebby.
11-02-2023, 08:27 PM
KB21

If we are focusing on coaches that know the SEC, then we are screwed. There isn't a single offensive coordinator in the SEC right now that screams potential great head coach. If you look at offensive coordinators nationally, you have:
Ryan Grubb at Washington
Garrett Riley at Clemson
Jeff Lebby at Oklahoma
Will Stein at Oregon
Brian Hartline at Ohio State
Sherrone Moore at Michigan
Zach Kittley at Texas Tech
Collin Klein at Kansas State
Andy Kotelnecki at Kansas
Kendal Briles at TCU
Ben Arbuckle at Washington State
Mike Yurcich at Penn State
Alex Atkins at Florida State
Phil Longo at Wisconsin
Brian Lindgren at Oregon State

I'd look at all of them before I looked at an SEC OC.

G5 offensive minded head coaches:
Tom Herman, FAU
Clay Helton, Georgia Southern
Jamey Chadwell, Liberty
Tyson Helton, Western Kentucky
Jeff Traylor, UTSA

Of these, Helton and Herman would be my top two.
11-02-2023, 08:28 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by KB21

Cool. So you want to be eliminate the OC for the team that has the most productive offense in country.

No, I'd eliminate the guy that's followed the other around and never recruited the Southeast. He's not up for any jobs either.
11-02-2023, 08:33 PM
dawgday166

One of my top criteria too is ... guys that can develop and know how to handle QBs. 3 and low 4* QBs is what I'm talking about. They know what to look for in lower rated QBs when recruiting and know how to develop it.

Urban can, Herman can, Mullen can, Kiffin can, and not sure of others but that would be high on my attributes list. Or he would bring an OC who can and has done so.
11-02-2023, 08:35 PM
msstate7

If we go OC, Kendal briles is my preference
11-02-2023, 08:35 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by KB21

If we are focusing on coaches that know the SEC, then we are screwed. There isn't a single offensive coordinator in the SEC right now that screams potential great head coach. If you look at offensive coordinators nationally, you have:
Ryan Grubb at Washington
Garrett Riley at Clemson
Jeff Lebby at Oklahoma
Will Stein at Oregon
Brian Hartline at Ohio State
Sherrone Moore at Michigan
Zach Kittley at Texas Tech
Collin Klein at Kansas State
Andy Kotelnecki at Kansas
Kendal Briles at TCU
Ben Arbuckle at Washington State
Mike Yurcich at Penn State
Alex Atkins at Florida State
Phil Longo at Wisconsin
Brian Lindgren at Oregon State

I'd look at all of them before I looked at an SEC OC.

G5 offensive minded head coaches:
Tom Herman, FAU
Clay Helton, Georgia Southern
Jamey Chadwell, Liberty
Tyson Helton, Western Kentucky
Jeff Traylor, UTSA

Of these, Helton and Herman would be my top two.

I don't think anyone is strictly saying SEC coordinators but coordinators with SEC experience, especially SEC coordinator experience would be on a more preferred list. Lebby, Longo, Briles. But you are skipping Mike Denbrook, he is a very good OC at LSU. Has done good work with QB's as well.
11-02-2023, 08:38 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

No, I'd eliminate the guy that's followed the other around and never recruited the Southeast. He's not up for any jobs either.

Yet, if he had taken the Alabama job when Nick offered it to him last year, that would have made him a better candidate? Grubb may be the highest paid OC in college football. Washington is paying him $2 million per season.
11-02-2023, 08:39 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by KB21

Yet, if he had taken the Alabama job when Nick offered it to him last year, that would have made him a better candidate? Grubb may be the highest paid OC in college football. Washington is paying him $2 million per season.

I would say yes. Working under saban is good for the resume
11-02-2023, 08:40 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I don't think anyone is strictly saying SEC coordinators but coordinators with SEC experience, especially SEC coordinator experience would be on a more preferred list. Lebby, Longo, Briles. But you are skipping Mike Denbrook, he is a very good OC at LSU. Has done good work with QB's as well.

Denbrock is also 59 years old. I'm not hiring a 59 year old first time head coach.
11-02-2023, 08:41 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I would say yes. Working under saban is good for the resume

He learns how to run a program. See Kirby Smart.
11-02-2023, 08:42 PM
KB21

I think what it boils down to is the fact that Grubb believes in throwing the football. Washington throws it more than 65% of the time. We got to get someone that is going to be a big dumb offense guy. How about Mike Bobo? We already have his OL coach, who's a big dumb offense guy.
11-02-2023, 08:43 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

He learns how to run a program. See Kirby Smart.

I'm sure it helped lane's career also
11-02-2023, 08:44 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm sure it helped lane's career also

Lane ain't stupid. I don't think he liked working for Saban at all, but he also knew he'd learn a lot too. And yea, it helped Lane a good bit IMO.
11-02-2023, 08:46 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by KB21

Denbrock is also 59 years old. I'm not hiring a 59 year old first time head coach.

He would be more qualified to be a HC over Arbuckle, Riley and Kittley. They are not ready to be HC's and struggling as OC this year. I'd consider Curt Cignetti before them, 62 is long in the tooth but he is at least a winner and the same age as Coach Leach would have been this year.
11-02-2023, 08:48 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by KB21

I think what it boils down to is the fact that Grubb believes in throwing the football. Washington throws it more than 65% of the time. We got to get someone that is going to be a big dumb offense guy. How about Mike Bobo? We already have his OL coach, who's a big dumb offense guy.

That had absolutely ZERO to do with my statement. I had no freakin clue how much he threw the football. He has LESS than 2 years as a P5 OC and he's on his 5th year as an OC. This is WORSE than Zach's situation. Quit being a dumbass.
11-02-2023, 08:49 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by KB21

I think what it boils down to is the fact that Grubb believes in throwing the football. Washington throws it more than 65% of the time. We got to get someone that is going to be a big dumb offense guy. How about Mike Bobo? We already have his OL coach, who's a big dumb offense guy.

No it doesn't. Quit trying to post narratives that are false whenever someone takes a differing view point on someone you bring up.
11-02-2023, 08:50 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

That had absolutely ZERO to do with my statement. I had no freakin clue how much he threw the football. He has LESS than 2 years as a P5 OC and he's on his 5th year as an OC. This is WORSE than Zach's situation. Quit being a dumbass.

He's just makes up false narratives when someone takes a different view point.
11-02-2023, 08:51 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

That had absolutely ZERO to do with my statement. I had no freakin clue how much he threw the football. He has LESS than 2 years as a P5 OC and he's on his 5th year as an OC. This is WORSE than Zach's situation. Quit being a dumbass.

KB really likes McDaniel of dolphins, so I think KB thinks a great, young OC will automatically work. The nfl is different than college though.

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