Trying to define the problem.
?We need a new coach?
?Change the QB?
?We run too much?
?Why arent we running??
If you want to know our problem, watch that scene.
NIL = more $ = better players = more wins = you being happy
Sign up for $20 / month.
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Trying to define the problem.
?We need a new coach?
?Change the QB?
?We run too much?
?Why arent we running??
If you want to know our problem, watch that scene.
NIL = more $ = better players = more wins = you being happy
Sign up for $20 / month.
https://media.tenor.com/hC0jXa6bmuAAAAAC/adapt-or.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Except we do not have a Billy Bean mastermind on campus.
I would say the scouts remind me of a few of Arnett's staff members, hiring their buddies and having a group think and in his ear.
Fans have drawn the line in the sand. They are not willing to pay for the seats, concessions, parking, travel, food, hotels AND fund the players. So that's not the play here. It's get this mess fixed with a sustainable model.
Yes. FactualQuote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
No, OUR fans have drawn a line in the sand. OM fans continue to fund it because they see a payoff with a brash HC, exciting offense, and a buy in from their administration from the top down. And again, I am no ever going to tell someone how to spend the money they work hard for, but either you adapt to this model or be ok with it being 2005 every year. Because that is what will happen. There is no sustainable model. They opened the Pandora?s box with no safeguards around it and they will never be able to put it back in the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
There is no transparency so there is no way to know this. It's merely a hypothetical until proven.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
If our fans have decided not to fund NIL (our choice) then things will only get worse, Not better.
Knute Rockne can be the coach and it wont matter.
You fund it , we compete.
You dont, we dont.
All these other arguments are for teams that have the players. We are not at the point to even know if Arnett is good or bad.
He brought a rock to a gunfight.
This is a good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Ive heard so many of our fans say "Nobody was paying players when I was in school"! Well no they weren't- at least not openly, but times have changes. We can't have our cake and eat it too. Either we pony up or we will not be competitive. We are already behind the 8-ball due to the size of our alumni base. We can either make a conscious effort to try to keep up or we will be in the cellar. There is no middle.
Can we get the sports admin students to take in the task of building the monthly donation install base?
They can be at every game (every sport) signing people up for $20 or more per month.
Simple easy.
That is their only job - increase the qty of people giving (a small amount) monthly. Thats it:
Charlie can talk to big donors - the sports admin interns build the monthly revenue base.
There is plenty of transparency. You just have to know where to look.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Probably a good idea, but just warn them that there will be plenty of people they talk to that will bitch at them for asking for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
You get it!Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Then post it for all to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Tulu is 6 figures and all the others being paid (Johnson, Watson, Rodgers, Thomas, Marks, etc) are low to mid 5 figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
So $250,000 in round numbers. Source? And what are other teams spending?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Between 250-450. Other teams our size (USCe, Mizzou, UK) are spending around 10x what we are. Our problem is we spend too much on baseball. We need to spend 10 percent of our NIL on baseball, 25 percent on basketball, and the rest on footballQuote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
With this coaching staff? Hm. They took a defense that could play defense and destroyed it. The took an offense that could play offense and wholesale changed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Well it looks like we need to consolidate some schools to compete then. Because I am not giving my kids money for their future to a program that can?t even figure out how a sound system works.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
As absurd as it sounds because, let’s face it, we’re talking about MILLIONS of dollars being spent currently. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. If the University, City of Starkville, and fan base don’t embrace the statistical correlation between high levels of achievement in the major athletic programs and corresponding increases in both numbers and qualifications of university student applications, the entire ecosystem is going to be relegated to abject mediocracy.
Other teams our size? Do you mean student enrollment?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Alumni and donor base size.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
And I agree with you. I think there has to be buy in from the administration and athletic dept to get people excited and wanting to donate. Other schools do that?..we do not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Fair to say alumni of significant means funding the difference at the other schools? Because at $250-$450 I'm thinking our significant means folks are not weighing in too heavily. Except for contributions to academics of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Sorry wrong personQuote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
When someone cuts you a check and says I want it going to basketball, are we supposed to say no?? And there are people that solely give to hoops.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Again, as I said earlier, I am never going to tell someone how to spend the money they worked hard for. However, at our current donation rate, if a majority of our donations are not going to football then we will not be successful in either retaining current talent or getting new talent into the program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
If someone wants to give go ahead but suggesting our problem last night was NIL is ignorant. Bama has as much money as anyone and we are one player away from playing them down to the wire. TAMU more money than anyone and it ain't got them nothing. We spent some NIL what did it get us? Fact is nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Will a player here or there be bought? Sure. Could it make a difference down the road for a few teams if they spend 100 million, maybe but there ain't enough money to buy all the good players. Yes the blue bloods have been and will always be that for various reasons. You saw the stripped reasons last night again with Bama. More money will always flow to those schools, that is fact.
R2
Is your point that we do or do not need to raise more money to pay for better players?
Can some players be bought, sure. My point is it had nothing to do with last night and just cause you spend some money don't mean automatic results. Bama got 50X more money than we do and give us Fitz, Shrader, Keyton, etc. last night and we are down to wire with Bama. Has anyone had success buying a championship team? No. Teams been trying for years and got no more to show than we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Only so much money and there are a lot of good players out there.
Now years from now, will there be a handful of money teams with all the players, could be but I don't think it is going to be as bad as everyone predicts. We already had that for decades already - Bama, OSU, UGA, etc. etc. The good teams been good a long time.
Let me know for sure, is ignorance bliss?Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Where are you seeing Bama is spending $15 million? We need to source these spending figures to get a documented picture of what's being spent. SVS is saying we're spending around $300,000; maybe some of you who know can back him as a bona fide source. And some other schools (KY, SC etc) are spending $3,000,000 according to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Doest matter how much they are spending.
We need more money.
We will always need more.
You're never going to get people to buy in unless you help them understand with documented information.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Are we getting value for what we're spending is a significant question. In some individual cases it's at least questionable.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
If I was getting some return on my investment, I would be in on it. Yes, I get the return is wins on the field, but I want to have a fun family experience. Not just looking at a 65 year old female drop it like its hot multiple times on the Jumbotron, or a 40 year old in a oversized hat being a human bobblehead multiple times. (those were literally the loudest cheers of the night, last night)
The whole NIL system is stupid. We will forever be behind the eight ball due to our size, lack of willingness and the types of professionals that we graduate. I firmly believe the vast majority of our fan base just doesn't care.
I'd bet our majority is no different from any other. And intuitively I'd bet folks of significant means are making a big difference elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceWranglerDawg
My hope with the NIL is that the money will eventually get so significant that you will have 40-50 universities that break off and make their own conference and basically create an NFL minor league. Then the smaller alumni base/financed schools like ours can get back to true amateur athletes composed of actual student athletes. I would gladly travel to state each weekend to watch that. These days I enjoy high school football more than what college football has become.
That is the biggest problem why we have a bunch of people that are still on the fence are off the fence completely. We do not play an exciting brand of football and our gameday atmosphere is a dud. The entrance is good. I like the video and I like the garage doors opening. It is a cool way to come onto the field, but after that it is crickets. Most of our fans rely too much on cowbells to do everything and do not get into the ballgame. Add on to that, our stadium is consistently taken over by any fan base that remotely travels well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fader21