Wyatt film study

As you watch, verify what I am saying. In each 11 personnel, somebody misses or does not understand what is going on, and it's not just Goede.

- At the 1:30 mark, we get an OT not understanding the blocking scheme in a 11 personnel. And that totally puts us behind the chains because Marks is TFL. Same play, Goede does not pick up the LB. That keeps Marks for bouncing the other direction.

- 23 minute mark. Jones lunges forward on a passing play and it allowed 11 to break through. 11 does not have the speed to get to Rogers before the throw but is close. Rogers stands in and takes the hit on the TD pass. Geode makes his block. With Bama, we are going to have people blaming Rogers because Bama is faster. That's a sack, batted, or worse a fumble. If we are taking shots down field, it can not be from a 11 personnel... yet.

- 32 minute mark. Again with the TE in, we see a bad play design or we have to check out of that call. Just a total break down on the OL.

- 35 minute Mark. Again, TE in and this time, Either Rogers or Marks got the call wrong. The play action, Rogers turns left, Marks goes Right. So Rogers PA to air. It turned into a great throw by Rogers and Block by Woody.... which is a SACK if he does not, because again... the OL is not grasping it.Both G and OT are beaten.

- 38:38 minute mark shows the wrong PA mess up, but turned out great.

- 51 minute mark. TE in... Another example of the OT not blocking. Result, Hits the QB and it's ruled (right or wrong) a fumble.

- 55 Minute mark.. Run bust due to the OL in that set not grasping it.






- If you look at 7:30, you will see the wide splits. ZERO ability to get to the QB because they understand it.




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I will say this, we need to mix it up. But we need to do that other ways. This staff has really not done a great job installing the offense with the line. Just opinion here, if we do much of this against Bama, we are going to see about 5 sacks due to the OL in this scheme.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

As you watch, verify what I am saying. In each 11 personnel, somebody misses or does not understand what is going on, and it's not just Goede.

- At the 1:30 mark, we get an OT not understanding the blocking scheme in a 11 personnel. And that totally puts us behind the chains because Marks is TFL. Same play, Goede does not pick up the LB. That keeps Marks for bouncing the other direction.

- 23 minute mark. Jones lunges forward on a passing play and it allowed 11 to break through. 11 does not have the speed to get to Rogers before the throw but is close. Rogers stands in and takes the hit on the TD pass. Geode makes his block. With Bama, we are going to have people blaming Rogers because Bama is faster. That's a sack, batted, or worse a fumble. If we are taking shots down field, it can not be from a 11 personnel... yet.

- 32 minute mark. Again with the TE in, we see a bad play design or we have to check out of that call. Just a total break down on the OL.

- 35 minute Mark. Again, TE in and this time, Either Rogers or Marks got the call wrong. The play action, Rogers turns left, Marks goes Right. So Rogers PA to air. It turned into a great throw by Rogers and Block by Woody.... which is a SACK if he does not, because again... the OL is not grasping it.Both G and OT are beaten.

- 38:38 minute mark shows the wrong PA mess up, but turned out great.

- 51 minute mark. TE in... Another example of the OT not blocking. Result, Hits the QB and it's ruled (right or wrong) a fumble.

- 55 Minute mark.. Run bust due to the OL in that set not grasping it.






- If you look at 7:30, you will see the wide splits. ZERO ability to get to the QB because they understand it.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RekJepJKNO4









I will say this, we need to mix it up. But we need to do that other ways. This staff has really not done a great job installing the offense with the line. Just opinion here, if we do much of this against Bama, we are going to see about 5 sacks due to the OL in this scheme.

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Rogers is who he is. He's not mobile and if he does run he's very likely to fumble the football. He really can't help a lot of it. His physical limitations make it difficult for him to play behind an OL like ours. That being said, as a coach you either have to do something to mask those deficiencies on the OL and Rogers lack of mobility within the pocket or you've got to put someone else back there at quarterback to give us a chance when we play elite defensive fronts. Just continuing to do the same shit we have done for 20 years against Saban is stupid. If after the first 2 series it is obvious that we can't block them, Barbay better have something else ready to go. If he doesn't at least try some sort of alternative strategy he is not a very good OC.

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Rogers is who he is. He's not mobile and if he does run he's very likely to fumble the football. He really can't help a lot of it. His physical limitations make it difficult for him to play behind an OL like ours. That being said, as a coach you either have to do something to mask those deficiencies on the OL and Rogers lack of mobility within the pocket or you've got to put someone else back there at quarterback to give us a chance when we play elite defensive fronts. Just continuing to do the same shit we have done for 20 years against Saban is stupid. If after the first 2 series it is obvious that we can't block them, Barbay better have something else ready to go. If he doesn't at least try some sort of alternative strategy he is not a very good OC.

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I don't care who you put back there, the out come is going to be the same.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

I don't care who you put back there, the out come is going to be the same.

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Maybe so, but not at least trying to put someone back there that can avoid a pass rush is criminal. Will is going to get decapitated if we play the same way up front as we did against LSU. Making them account for 11 instead of ten could possibly allow us to move the football. Like I said, let's see how the first couple of drives go and then adjust accordingly. Just letting someone that can't move continually get killed is stupid.

We hired the wrong people. These guys have been working on this offense for months and people have no idea what they're doing a lot of times. That's poor coaching and preparation. Our good ole boy network staff is lost. Will had to tell the damn OC what sets to use. The guy couldn't even figure shit out.

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We hired the wrong people. These guys have been working on this offense for months and people have no idea what they're doing a lot of times. That's poor coaching and preparation. Our good ole boy network staff is lost. Will had to tell the damn OC what sets to use. The guy couldn't even figure shit out.

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And he and Will should have had that conversation daily since spring.

Just a thought, OL busts happen to most teams throughout the course of a game, but when you have mobility at qb, a lot of these errors are not magnified. When you have a statue playing qb, you can?t have any busts and when you do have busts, they are magnified much more.

You can?t win big in today college football without mobility at the qb position, especially when you are playing against better talent more often than not.

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And he and Will should have had that conversation daily since spring.

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Yep, it just shows a total lack of communication and ability to adapt to the talent. It took 4 games to do that. Just ridiculous. I can't imagine Dan Mullen not getting things handled. He adapted his offenses (not always perfectly- see Russell) to his talent. Our personnel dictates we aren't a ground and pound, but Barbay beat that shit in the ground until he got embarrassed. It's amateur hour in our football program.

We could switched staffs for this week and I?m not sure we have the talent to win. But maybe, they will make enough mistakes and commit 15 penalties to level the playing field.

What's painfully obvious is that you have an offensive coordinator who is trying to run the wide zone based scheme he first experienced at App State last year, so he isn't really well versed in the scheme yet. You also have two OL coaches who have never coached in a wide zone scheme before, and it's obvious. We have guys taking 45 degree steps on wide zone plays when they should be taking 90 degree steps. The OL coach is probably the most important coach in a wide zone scheme.

Just a lot of individual mistakes on both sides of the ball that are costing this team. Defensively, one defender being in the wrong coverage position or not recognizing things in front of him. One player taking a poor angle and not recognizing that he's the last line of the defense. One player who stops moving his feet on a pass rush that allows the QB to have enough time to make the throw. It's like the attention to detail has gone completely out the window. Did Mike Leach make that much of a difference as a head coach? It's like we have gone from a +2 coaching effect to a -3 coaching effect.

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Just a lot of individual mistakes on both sides of the ball that are costing this team. Defensively, one defender being in the wrong coverage position or not recognizing things in front of him. One player taking a poor angle and not recognizing that he's the last line of the defense. One player who stops moving his feet on a pass rush that allows the QB to have enough time to make the throw. It's like the attention to detail has gone completely out the window. Did Mike Leach make that much of a difference as a head coach? It's like we have gone from a +2 coaching effect to a -3 coaching effect.

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In retrospect, none of us appreciated just how much Leach brought to the table...including me.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We hired the wrong people. These guys have been working on this offense for months and people have no idea what they're doing a lot of times. That's poor coaching and preparation. Our good ole boy network staff is lost. Will had to tell the damn OC what sets to use. The guy couldn't even figure shit out.

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mannnnnnn gtfo

2 is not telling a coach what to do.

As OP and KB21 point out, there's a lot of individual mistakes with the takeaway that the players don't understand their assignments. I've only ever watched Matt Wyatt's film study. I've done that for a couple of years now. I've never watched another team's plays like this. With all that said, my question is something bigbub hits on:

Are we unique in this aspect? If we were to watch another team's film in-depth like this, might we see the same thing? Would SC look similar? Would you find the same thing was happening for Ole Miss, Auburn, Kentucky, etc? Maybe even UGA, LSU and Alabama too, except maybe their talent makes it easier to gloss over mental errors? I don't know enough to answer these questions, but I'm curious what someone who studies more college football thinks.

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Originally Posted by RisperDawg

As OP and KB21 point out, there's a lot of individual mistakes with the takeaway that the players don't understand their assignments. I've only ever watched Matt Wyatt's film study. I've done that for a couple of years now. I've never watched another team's plays like this. With all that said, my question is something bigbub hits on:

Are we unique in this aspect? If we were to watch another team's film in-depth like this, might we see the same thing? Would SC look similar? Would you find the same thing was happening for Ole Miss, Auburn, Kentucky, etc? Maybe even UGA, LSU and Alabama too, except maybe their talent makes it easier to gloss over mental errors? I don't know enough to answer these questions, but I'm curious what someone who studies more college football thinks.

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Yes, you would. The biggest difference in us and other mid level teams in this conference is that we are the only one that doesn’t have a mobile quarterback and our issues up front are magnified. Our issues on defense are probably worse than most in the secondary.

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In retrospect, none of us appreciated just how much Leach brought to the table...including me.

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I think some appreciate his offensive play calling more too.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

mannnnnnn gtfo

2 is not telling a coach what to do.

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I'm sure they collaborate some. Or they should be.

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Originally Posted by RisperDawg

As OP and KB21 point out, there's a lot of individual mistakes with the takeaway that the players don't understand their assignments. I've only ever watched Matt Wyatt's film study. I've done that for a couple of years now. I've never watched another team's plays like this. With all that said, my question is something bigbub hits on:

Are we unique in this aspect? If we were to watch another team's film in-depth like this, might we see the same thing? Would SC look similar? Would you find the same thing was happening for Ole Miss, Auburn, Kentucky, etc? Maybe even UGA, LSU and Alabama too, except maybe their talent makes it easier to gloss over mental errors? I don't know enough to answer these questions, but I'm curious what someone who studies more college football thinks.

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I think we're poorly coached on both sides of the ball from watching us.

Sure, some time to adjust was expected on offense. However, there are a lot of things that stick out like a sore thumb. There were a lot of teams that are installing a new offense this year in the SEC- which is a big reason why losing Leach was so big. We would be in year four with more WR talent than we have ever had. As it is we leveled the playing field because of the decision of our coaches. And the fact is that despite other teams installing new offenses ours has performed worse than most and we seem to look very sloppy. South Carolina for example is also installing a new scheme and they looked a lot cleaner than us.

Defense- yes, I agree that we lack speed and talent however Arnett learning to be a head coach while also trying to manage that side of the ball at least to a degree along with Brock who is also a first year DC adds to the struggles.

I'm pretty sure we're 3-1 at this point with Leach with a much more competitive loss to LSU or perhaps even a close win with the experience we have and a defense focused Arnett.

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Yep, it just shows a total lack of communication and ability to adapt to the talent. It took 4 games to do that. Just ridiculous. I can't imagine Dan Mullen not getting things handled. He adapted his offenses (not always perfectly- see Russell) to his talent. Our personnel dictates we aren't a ground and pound, but Barbay beat that shit in the ground until he got embarrassed. It's amateur hour in our football program.

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Even worse- Barbay claimed that he was known for adapting to talent. Which was I would guess the common MSU fan's biggest fear with our team. So on top of having to deal watching Moorhead make the same mistake four years ago MSU fans were essentially lied to about their biggest fear only to have to watch it play out again. What a great way to endear yourself to the fan base Barbay.**

If we keep running Woody like we are we may be forced to be an Air Raid team again by the Egg Bowl. He has already been banged up twice this season and had to miss stretches of games and we're only 1/3 of the way through the season. This after having I think 24+ carries against SELU which was ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

mannnnnnn gtfo

2 is not telling a coach what to do.

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From what I just heard tonight, you are bad wrong. Will pretty much told the staff "this is what we're doing ". Imagine that.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think we're poorly coached on both sides of the ball from watching us.

Sure, some time to adjust was expected on offense. However, there are a lot of things that stick out like a sore thumb. There were a lot of teams that are installing a new offense this year in the SEC- which is a big reason why losing Leach was so big. We would be in year four with more WR talent than we have ever had. As it is we leveled the playing field because of the decision of our coaches. And the fact is that despite other teams installing new offenses ours has performed worse than most and we seem to look very sloppy. South Carolina for example is also installing a new scheme and they looked a lot cleaner than us.

Defense- yes, I agree that we lack speed and talent however Arnett learning to be a head coach while also trying to manage that side of the ball at least to a degree along with Brock who is also a first year DC adds to the struggles.

I'm pretty sure we're 3-1 at this point with Leach with a much more competitive loss to LSU or perhaps even a close win with the experience we have and a defense focused Arnett.

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100% against the air raid dude right here admitting that we are 100% 3-1 right now if Leach was still here. Knowing that we would finish 9-3 or better.

Zach Arnett is letting Brad Peterson set him up to fail.

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Zach Arnett is letting Brad Peterson set him up to fail.

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Watching them on the sideline....

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I'm sure they collaborate some. Or they should be.

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Per Cole, the OC absolutely went to Rogers and had that talk and we absolutely saw wide splits again in some plays.

So is Peterson the little birdie in CZA's ear, and part of the reason the old offensive staff was all let go? I really could not understand letting Mason Miller go, and the QB coach also.
I was supporting Arnett until he lied about saying he would change very little on offense, and then did a 180. Also, a few weeks ago him telling SEC network guys he wanted an offense that kept his defense off the field. Geeze, Coach Leach nearly led the league each year or at the top for time of possession.
So at that point the week of the LSU game hearing that I checked out on believing CZA since he is now publicly full of S**& twice.

edit: So I assume Peterson is the reason Miller was let go, to make room for his buddy as OL coach.

I audibly laughed when he showed the play where literally nobody was blocked. it was so awful it was actually funny.

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I audibly laughed when he showed the play where literally nobody was blocked. it was so awful it was actually funny.

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Yep. and again... what personnel was that!

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So is Peterson the little birdie in CZA's ear, and part of the reason the old offensive staff was all let go? I really could not understand letting Mason Miller go, and the QB coach also.
I was supporting Arnett until he lied about saying he would change very little on offense, and then did a 180. Also, a few weeks ago him telling SEC network guys he wanted an offense that kept his defense off the field. Geeze, Coach Leach nearly led the league each year or at the top for time of possession.
So at that point the week of the LSU game hearing that I checked out on believing CZA since he is now publicly full of S**& twice.

edit: So I assume Peterson is the reason Miller was let go, to make room for his buddy as OL coach.

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Hollinghead was going to be an OC somewhere anyway. I can't put that on Peterson.

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So is Peterson the little birdie in CZA's ear, and part of the reason the old offensive staff was all let go? I really could not understand letting Mason Miller go, and the QB coach also.
I was supporting Arnett until he lied about saying he would change very little on offense, and then did a 180. Also, a few weeks ago him telling SEC network guys he wanted an offense that kept his defense off the field. Geeze, Coach Leach nearly led the league each year or at the top for time of possession.
So at that point the week of the LSU game hearing that I checked out on believing CZA since he is now publicly full of S**& twice.

edit: So I assume Peterson is the reason Miller was let go, to make room for his buddy as OL coach.

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Idk if it is 100% true, but there's enough smoke to make me believe a lot of these changes we are experiencing have Peterson's fingers all over them. Now that's on Arnett for giving in if true. He's a grown man and can say no.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Hollinghead was going to be an OC somewhere anyway. I can't put that on Peterson.

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Who talked Arnett out of keeping the offense similar, as he publicly claimed.

ML was successful at Schools like-WSU-Texas Tech and here was because He was different and kept it simple. Repetition was what he harped on. Everyone was on the same page. He could win with lesser talent. I know if Will had some mobility ML would have won 10 games the last 2 years.

our problem now is we don't know WTF we are doing. The tight end is a bust . we would be better served with Creed on the field as a hot receiver. Or I would rather have Pittman out there with Woody. everytime we run a TE on the field it is bad. Put the OL back to where they played last year. 66 was better at tackle than at guard. Move Smith back to guard and put laysoia back at Center.

on defense please let Arnett take over. right now it is a cluster . on a positive note our special teams are great.

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Originally Posted by KB21

Zach Arnett is letting Brad Peterson set him up to fail.

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Can someone elaborate on this more? I know Peterson has been around the block but he and Arnett have no real history. They didn't go to school together, play together or coach together. Why would CZA do whatever Peterson recommends? Or is CZA just not sure what to do so he just takes advice from anyone (which is a scary thought and surely not true).

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

Can someone elaborate on this more? I know Peterson has been around the block but he and Arnett have no real history. They didn't go to school together, play together or coach together. Why would CZA do whatever Peterson recommends? Or is CZA just not sure what to do so he just takes advice from anyone (which is a scary thought and surely not true).

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What actually happened is that after some more time passed from Leach's death- Arnett simply decided he wanted his program to be in his image and beliefs. Physical offense that hits for big plays. Some of the offensive assts left because they didnt get the OC job and wanted to be OC. Pete is not the Great Oz behind the curtain pulling levers. That is message board myth

Spurrier Jr got an OC job at Tulsa. 95th in Scoring so far this season
Hollingshead is at WK as OC- so he wasnt going to stay unless he was OC. KB was bragging all over him until his last 2 week performances

I highly doubt the rumors are a myth considering that Arnett hired the OL coach and other assistants before hiring the coordinator. Particularly when said coordinator wants to run a wide zone scheme, and neither OL coach knows how to teach the wide zone blocking scheme.

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I highly doubt the rumors are a myth considering that Arnett hired the OL coach and other assistants before hiring the coordinator. Particularly when said coordinator wants to run a wide zone scheme, and neither OL coach knows how to teach the wide zone blocking scheme.

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and this is how you know its a myth. Veteran coaches are already versed in most schemes and can learn what they dont extremely quickly.

aGAIN- the OL's problem is that they have faced a shit ton of drop 8 the last 3 years and they arent getting that anymore.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

and this is how you know its a myth. Veteran coaches are already versed in most schemes and can learn what they dont extremely quickly.

aGAIN- the OL's problem is that they have faced a shit ton of drop 8 the last 3 years and they arent getting that anymore.

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Yeah. You can tell that by the fact that they aren't taking the proper steps on the wide zone. You can't teach the wide zone like you teach gap schemes or inside zone. Will Friend wasn't a good coach anyway. He's especially bad at trying to teach the wide zone.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

What actually happened is that after some more time passed from Leach's death- Arnett simply decided he wanted his program to be in his image and beliefs. Physical offense that hits for big plays. Some of the offensive assts left because they didnt get the OC job and wanted to be OC. Pete is not the Great Oz behind the curtain pulling levers. That is message board myth

Spurrier Jr got an OC job at Tulsa. 95th in Scoring so far this season
Hollingshead is at WK as OC- so he wasnt going to stay unless he was OC. KB was bragging all over him until his last 2 week performances

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This.

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and this is how you know its a myth. Veteran coaches are already versed in most schemes and can learn what they dont extremely quickly.

aGAIN- the OL's problem is that they have faced a shit ton of drop 8 the last 3 years and they arent getting that anymore.

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BS!

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

This.

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Fact is, the OL is confused when blocking in a 11 or 12. That's obvious and gets broken down on film every week. That's on coaching. No matter how you slice it. They did a poor job training them for it.



I say that to say this, When Bama is pooring through that OL in 11 or 12, I don't want to hear how bad Rogers is. I want to hear why we are still forcing a square peg in a round hole.

The only thing Brad Peterson should have any involvement in is recruiting. He should not have any input on scheme, play calling, or coach hirings.