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We're gonna see what he's made of this year. Tough decisions coming up for him. Arnett is not his hire so he's not tied to him at all. I don't see this getting any better because we have looked worse each week so far. Arnett may be one and done. Has that happened in the SEC before?
If it happens this year you can write off Mississippi State football for another 50 years. But do whatever you think is best,Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Robby Caldwell went 2-10 in his one year at Vandy in 2010. They hired Franklin right after him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
HAHAHHA!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Percho
Noway you believe that! None. Prime just booted the whole friggin team and brought in players from the portal.
Maybe tap the brakes? We were going loose to LSU no matter if we played our A game with Leach coaching. Arnett is still a baby and was woefully unprepared, experience wise, for the job that was thrust upon him. This was his third game and first real test. He can still win 6 and that was the expectation. If he doesn't improve over the season then worry, but he'll likely get year two, no matter what, barring a complete implosion.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Seems like it may be headed that way. I'm interested to see who going to have the most influence on the next hire. I hope it's Selmon based on the types of offenses he's been around as opposed to the old heads who want to run antiquated sysyems.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
this is some of the stupidest shit i have ever read on here you are an idiot of nuclear proportions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Percho
Bold #1: Leach vs LSU- Won, lost by 3 (out gained them by 130 yards though), lost by 15 (but had the lead going into the 4th). There is ZERO reason to assume he'd have lost yesterday. He played LSU close and had them on the ropes every time he played them.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
Bold #2: 6-6 was the expectation??? We were 9-4 last year, and returned more starters than almost anyone. All the State beat writers picked 6-6 as the floor. Our discussion threads here had 6-6 as the floor. But you want to rewrite common sense and history to convince us 6-6 was always reality. It wasn't. It is now that we have awful coaches, but 8-4 is what SHOULD be happening.
Screw you for outright lying about Leach vs LSU and what this team was capable of, all to gaslight us into believing Arnett isn't bad
Our football team is an absolute mess, nobody can argue with that. If it continues throughout the season we need to make a change. We can't wait around.
Yeah. 8-4 was pretty much the expectation around here. Anything less will be very disappointing. It's going to be a very bad season.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
6 was your expectation? Pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
If we lose to South Carolina we are looking at 4-8/5-7. If we finish 5-7 he'll get the second year with expectations of making a bowl game. If we finish 4-8 he'll be fired by Selmon. We cannot accept a 4-8 finish. That hole is just too deep. That's Croom level failure that cannot be allowed to fester. Even JoMo had two winning seasons and we canned him. Dan finished 5-7 his first year but we were coming off of five years of Croom and that was a scrappy team that fought in every game. 4-8 now for this program is abject failure and cannot be tolerated.
4-8 with expectations do 8-4 up to 10-2. What a colossal failure that would be. Especially in the weakest SEC in the forceable future.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Do you know of another Prime around? Anywhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
We had a good dominating win after their natty, and lost two in a row and would have lost yesterday, LSU is better this year than last. When we played LSU last year they had true Freshman starting on their Oline and still beat us by double digits. No matter if Leach, Saban, Belechick, Jimmy Johnson or whoever coached us yesterday, we would have gotten beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Always look at Vegas for win totals, they had us at 6.5, they don't put emotion into it, they go by objective analysis. Part of the 6 win expectation is having a first year, inexperienced HC. If Leach was still our coach, the win total would likely have been 7.5 or maybe even 8.
I'm not saying there is zero chance we fire him but its damn near close to zero. He has a 4 year contract at 3MM per. We arent going to pay him 9MM to go away unless its just a circus.
You have to take off maroon colored glasses when it comes to win totals. Look at what Vegas puts out, they are objective and look at what our opponents have done since last season. I'm betting 99% of our fans have not put the work in to evaluate the rosters of our 8 conference opponents. How many of you have looked over the rosters of Ark, the barn, OM, TAMU, etc., to see if they improved their rosters since last year? I certainly haven't, but you know who has? Vegas.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
I took the over and think we will win 7. I had already counted LSU and Bam as losses before the season.
This is most likely the case, but it could turn into a circus. It appears we are going to be horrible. That could lead to transfers, players just quitting on the team, etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Arnett is already in a situation where he is coaching for his livelihood. Nest season his seat will be extremely hot unless some major changes are made this season.
I think you all need to step back from the ledge. We got blown out several times under Leach. LSU is better than last year, yes they lost to FSU, but had plenty of chances in that one. If we stick with Will all the way through USCe and he continues to stink (and we don't make a change early in the game), then panic.
If Leach was coaching this year, we'd be set up for 8 or 9 wins, but he's gone so we have to come to grips with that.
My biggest concern is that other teams are getting better through the portal and we are not. The coaching is going to come together, switching schemes is harder than fans think. Had it been me, I'd probably kept last years staff, but whatever reason, Arnett chose not to and for the long term that be may the right choice, but there's going to be ass pain in the short term.
I'm almost certain his buyout isn't the guaranteed money left on his contract. Pretty sure I remember it being a very low buyout just in case year one turned out bad
We had 79 yards of offense in 1 complete half of football and gave up 300.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
Growing pains?
1. Leach wins that game yesterday. Maybe a tough, close loss.
2. 2 years ago we needed 2 more minutes of clock time. Slingblade went to man defense and we carved them up in the 4th quarter. Ran out of time.
3. Last year the guy who did our game said Mississippi State was the better team. Rogers stunk in the second half.
Some of y?all need to realize how discombobulated this team is now.
Your point # 1, NoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kingbarkus
No Leach wins yesterday. I know it is only one play but the first throw was a scripted air raid round. Everyone on State’s offense knew he was throwing to Robinson. If we would have kept that type of “air raid” concept throws all game its a game into the 4th. Will can make those as he is throwing to a spot not hitting a moving target, which he has never been really good at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Yeah. I don't know what the buyout is but I would imagine the leash isn't very long with Arnett.Quote:
Originally Posted by civildawg
Depending on his things look and play out it wouldn't shock me if we fire him for 6-6.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
I can't believe you guys are having this discussion. This season is going similar to year one in the air raid. Does CZA not get a chance to purge malcontents. Does he not get a chance to get his offensive recruits in place? I remember Leach blaming his players for every loss. I remember him making fun of reviewers just last year with his alligator arms speech. We have a coach now that takes the blame and y'all are ready to fire him after his first loss ever?!
No purge of malcontents needed. just allow the many who will have no eligibility leave and he'll have 30 spots open.
Yep and Colorado is an NIL powerhouse too. We have no chance.***Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
There are issues but the air raid crowd having their dreams come true right now. We played 500 ball, won 3 games one year and 9 another (didn't beat any great teams in that either) carried by the D but the air raid is the greatest offense ever. If a team throws the ball once they say that team runs the air raid. Air raid lovers had a melt down when we ran the ball for 300 yards and won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
We have issues but give the guy a chance and give the air raid BS a rest.
I and everyone else knew this was going to happen if we didn't win 10 games this year.
I just don't see us firing him short of 4-8 (o-fer in conference). His was so unprepared/inexperienced, we knew there'd be growing pains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We can’t afford growing pains in this era of football. Anything less than 7-5, Arnett should be asked to resign.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
If we let him “grow” we will get left behind everyone else.
My prediction is &elmon doesn't fire anyone. He waits any big fire/hires out until he finds another job and avoids our messes.
Let's not forget that next year is supposed to be a rebuilding year so do people actually believe we will any better next year? Odds are, we will be worse
If we had rehired Dan or hired Gus, then I agree, but we didn't. Just go back at look at how time Arnett's resume is.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
If you had taken the over on Colorado, you have your money already !!
Dawgs can have a worse record but look a lot better doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by civildawg
It’ll be hard to be much than the 4-8 we are about to experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
Colorado is a 21 point underdog to Oregon this week. We'll see who they really are especially since Travis Hunter is out.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg