He admitted that he made the wrong call by trying to burn clock with a 14 point lead vice trying to break the game open. He said he "took the wind out of our sails".
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He admitted that he made the wrong call by trying to burn clock with a 14 point lead vice trying to break the game open. He said he "took the wind out of our sails".
Note to Arnett, never take your foot off the gas or off their throat unless the game is truly out of reach.
I look forward to watch the presser later today when I am home. Did he say anything else.
Amen to that! CZA is still a young coach and there will be some growing pains but as long as he will self evaluate and not act like he invented football(which i don't think he will ever do), then he'll learn and grow and we'll be better for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Arnett just referenced that we are moving a guy from tackle to tightend?
He has no problem standing up on national TV and saying "I messed that up" (among other things*). It is easy for an established coach to admit fault because they already have a reputation. For a new guy, its harder to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Ellis. He's been in both games at TE and has been since spring. He will be an OT next year, so don't expect us to throw him the ball*Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
100%Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
Roger that. I thought this was something new. Good on that kid for making the change for the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
Arnett admitting that is one step in the right direction. He found out first hand what happens sometimes when you "can't wait to be the boss" and something you would change blows up in your face.
Happens to all of us in those positions. He probably thought for years that it would be damn nice to give the defense a nice blow after a grueling drive. He watched it work pretty piss poor. He won't make that mistake again.
I personally dont think he did that and that Barbay just had an entire quarter of trying not to lose. I will say this, they said a lot of things in the off-season to get some kids to hang around that they better start backing up. I am not calling for anyone?s head because this job is hard and I like Arnett. But the facts are there, 2 games in and this is not what they said we were gonna do
This is true and has worried me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up firing Barbay at the end of the year if things don't change and we just throw a ton of NIL money at Will to try to get him to come back and basically start over again in 2024.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Dont hold your breath. Will has turned down some major money to stay hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I?m still confused what Arnett saw in Barbay. App State has one of the top most raw talents in the Sun Belt and they had one of their worst years last year going 6-6. I?m not a fan of hiring coaches from small conferences that have a talent advantage over other teams they are playing. Florida is getting a taste of that now with Napier. I want to hire coaches that have mid or lower level talent compared to the other teams in the conference and then step up and win with it
We really should have gone after Joe Craddock.
His time as OC at Arkansas was pretty abysmal. 14th and 13th in scoring. Chad Morris was a horrible HC then too though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Yeah! It wasn't just a half that he refused to be balanced. Some are acting like it was for a series. No. It was the entire game. And per completion we averaged 12.5 yards.... and only had 15 attempts in regulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
The problem is, that was his first instinct. It basically shows that he pays no attention to analytics.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Who gives a turd about analytics, Lame Kitten? I feel like no one spoke of analytics until Lane got to Pissville U.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I think this is less about analytics and more about how he felt the game and made a freshman head coaching mistake.
All coaches should be very into analytics. Analytics and young, hyper intelligent coaches who embrace them is the reason the NFL has such a great product right now. All the old school fogies are being phased out with the new school mindset "nerd" coaches. It's a beautiful transition. College football is in severe need of a similar transition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
Well, you and I are going to disagree there. I think football is slightly regressing with the new mindset of football.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Please don't tell me you are anti spin rate, anti velocity, and pro bunting in baseball as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
Nobody is anti-spin rate and velocity, you've never seen anyone make that statement on here. Hell even Bill James is pro bunting in very limited situations. Less pro sacrifice bunting but he even broke his data down of when it was situationally, batter and defensive alignment advantageous to consider it a favorable strategy. Bunting for base hit he likes more if the batter can consistently bunt into specific zones. Read his later stuff and his online content.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I’m going to really throw you for a loop. I don’t watch baseball, I respect it and if I am at a game I can get into it. I only care about the World Series.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Back to football - this new game is softer than the old game. It’s enjoyable to watch it’s just not what I am used to. It will come back around eventually.
The new game is so much better from a schematic standpoint and more enjoyable to watch. 20 years ago, NFL football was dull with the exception of the teams that had elite QBs. Now, you have coaches like Kyle Shanahan doing innovative stuff with the likes of Jimmy Garropolo and Brock Purdy at QB. Mike McDaniel in Miami is going to set league on its ear with that explosive offense. I'm very interested in seeing what Matt LaFleur does with Jordan Love this year. Sean McVay is one of my favorite coaches in the NFL. I'm even excited to see some of the defensive coaches that will branch off the Shanahan tree very soon. Guys like Ejiro Evero in Carolina now and while he's not from the Shanahan tree, Sean Desai is a young defensive coach that I'm very high on. Yale graduate. Super intelligent. Highly analytical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
The days of the knuckle dragging mouth breathers in the NFL are over.
I still dont understand why you are taking about NFL. The NFL to college game has always and prayerfully will always be different.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Because football is football. Sound decision making and scheming based on analytics works at all levels. Passing the football is better than running the football at all levels. Most of the analytics that you can get a hold of and study is from the NFL. Hopefully soon, we will see more analytics on the college game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
Here's a good link on some data about pass vs run from the college level though: https://staturdays.com/2019/09/23/sh...-run-the-ball/
Some of the beauty of college ball is the shooting from the hips. NFL gets flack for being so scripted that they are already decided games before the game plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I NEVER want college ball to get to that point. Again there is a reason why NFL and college is so different. I never want that water to be blurred.
Bye WillQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Really makes you wonder why no one just throws 95% of the time. Its so easy anyone should be able to coach at a high level.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I do believe your understanding of analytics is only skin deep. For one your throwing stats and EPA are derived from teams running at least 45% and keeping the d off balance. You change the entire game (including your precious analytics) when they don't have to respect the run.
This right here. Why can't people just make mistakes and learn from them? Why do others have to read into it some deep psychological aversion to analytics that will cripple Arnett over the rest of his career 2 games into his coaching tenure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
If you work over people, you are going to screw up. Period. I know people don't like to hear that, but every coach screws up sometimes. The question is whether or not they learn from it. And we have some folks on here dead set on Arnett and Barbay sucking after 2 games.
I just don't understand that type of mentality. It simply makes no sense.
The run game has value in instances. Like when you are trying to run out the clock to win a game or inside the 6 yard line.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein
MSU football could use an analytics department. Analytics in football is "new" but with context it could help our game planning and play calling a lot.
Like Arnett tells the OC we want to run some clock. Instead of running it three straight times we might run the ball on first down and then go with a RPO on second down giving us a run option in a favorable box or an easy throw, or just a quick pass like a slant or a screen. Then third down use a constraint play to convert based on down and distance if we get that far.
It?s very few instances though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Again… you and I will not see eye to eye on this. Also, just because they are more pass happy doesn’t mean “analytics” are the cause. That was the start of our conversation. I like the spread I also like the run. I just think if you get into analytics to much you can have analysis paralysis set in.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Facts! I love that the coaches are hearing us. I hope they take that as a good thing, as in dang this fan base is passionate not dang I gotta listen to the fan base and over analyze the situation. Arnett has already said everything I need him to say. Recognized the mistake and will from it. Sweet I look forward to seeing the change.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Great post! I've been very successful in my field but I've also blown a deal or two. It happens, no one is 100%. The thing you have to do is self evaluate and get better not let one defeat become two.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
100%. The fun part of college football is putting together the best plan you possibly can that can be learned in the 20 hour a week mandate, and the imperfection that comes along with that. NFL players spend nearly 20 hours preparing in 2 days not 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
You can't get to NFL precision in 20 hours.