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Stricklin out in Athens.
Was about to post this. 10 seasons, 3 NCAA tourneys. Finished 29-27 this season. But finished ahead of State in SEC, made Hoover. Early exit. I guess making Hoover don?t men much, other then now it is the only way to get to a regional whereas before, certain teams made a regional without going to Hoover if they had a good overall record and finished at least 12-17 in conference.
I guess mediocre ain?t good enough for a club sport in Athens.
Meanwhile below mediocre is just fine and dandy here.
People forget that they were a Top 8 seed in 2018 and 2019. And probably would’ve been one in 2020 if not for COVID. He had a few years with some unreal arms on his staff. But didn’t do a ton with them and otherwise did absolutely nothing in his decade there. He’s the coach that took Kent State to Omaha so he doesn’t suck. Just didn’t do enough there over a decade.
We will end up needing a coach and Haire will be gone. I will want to slam my in a door.
Take solace in the fact that a door is only 1.75 inches thick.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
Georgia fired a guy that made the NCAA Tourney 3 times in 10 years?
Seems like they were pretty patient with him and realize you cant make decisions based on 1 or 2 seasons
Yep. Alabama and Georgia will end up with a better coach than us in 2024. Hopefully the new guy in 2025 will be better than both of theirs, but there's no guarantee of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
Actually, they gave him some patience early on, but now they have a much quicker hook than us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
https://i.imgur.com/7eVfzLR.png
Note that none of his 10 seasons were as bad as Lemonis in 2022-23.
Careful you will tear a shoulder up from reaching so hardQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Meh- Lemon was 4 wins away from making the NCAA Tourney this season. We arent that far off.
Fix the pitching
Can I insert a comma here and add: "fix the defense, especially left side of the infield, fix the fundamentals, fix the TERRIBLE decision-making, a la pitching to a power hitter who has already hit two dingers out of the park and accounted for every one of the opponents runs whilst having a base open. How about bunting a crucial runner over to 2nd base when your best bunter is at bat. How about teaching outfield fundamentals so that our outfielders aren't running into each other like the Bad News Bears multiple times in one game." I think this is enough for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
And 4 losses from our worst record ever in the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If you had any credibility left, you would be throwing it away on this.
That might be the WORST argument ever. He went to 3 regionals in ten years. Not going again this year. Yet comparing to our deal?? Everyone can make a case for firing lem. I get it. But this is apples and grapes.... Next time don't hit send. Just awful comparisonQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
And there's 3x the baseball talent in GA than in Mississippi. UGA and GaTech should both be in regionals every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Lemonis's last four years are better than any four year period he had at Georgia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
His last two are also worse than any 2 year period at UGA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
He had four losing seasons in a row at GeorgiaQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
You mean LemonizikQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But he never won less than 10 conference games. We have won 9 in back to back seasons. Look, it is ok to just admit you like Lemonis and you did not want him to get fired. But there are no stats that make him look good. He won on the talent of others and since his guys have been here we have sucked. It will be the same thing next year and we will be looking for a new coach in May 2024. Is what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
schddog72 said it all and said it best. I just hope Lemo reads this.
You guys are really overvaluing ?player development?. In regards to baseball the development is done during the summers and in the minors. There isnt that much practice time in college to develop players. They either have it or they don?t. This past two years are some of the least talented MSU teams in a long time. The $68 Million social club and its patrons isnt going to get MSU the players it needs. NIL and recruiting is where it is at.
BINGOQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
You talking per year or aggregate:Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Over the last 4 years, Georgia is 60-60 in the SEC.
Georgia has made Hoover all 4 of those years.
State is 58-62 in SEC and made Hoover in the first 2 and made hasty exits, but still went to Omaha both years.
However, over 10 years, Striklin has depended on entirely his own recruits or transfers in 7 of them, with some success and some average to mediocre seasons. Did UGA keep him too long? Probably not since they tied for 2nd SEC East and he got them to a regional in 2022.
So really. Lemonis pretty much had his own team this year and mostly his own team last year, not only his 2.worst years, but all next to last and last in the SEC regular season which is now the ONLY way to get to a Regional through Hoover qualifying.
Lemonis 2 best seasons, which were great, were with someone else?s recruits. His worst 2 are with a smattering of leftovers and his own recruits.
Striklin?s best seasons were with his own recruits and his last and worst season was with his own recruits.
He likes Lemonis and wants him to stay so he has been spewing BS stats for 3 weeks trying to justify it. The fact is the guy is a great manager of talent when he is given it and is an average recruiter and a below average talent evaluatorQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Tote that water, boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Give Lemonis 10 seasons and then compare. I think we both know who will look better at the end of the day in that scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I don't care that much about Lemonis personally. But I do feel like I am fair to all coaches. The main reason I didn't want him fired was because that ultimately wasn't the best thing for MSU given the circumstances. And that's whether he "figures it out" or not. You know that too.
If he hires the pitching coach he is rumored to be hiring and that doesn't turn into a Schlossnagle situation and he continues to have success in the portal there is a very good chance he turns this around. We'll see how it turns out. Again- doesn't matter becaue we made the best decision for MSU no matter how it turns out and that's all I really care about.
Then we should have been sending more of our pitchers out to play summer baseball rather than work out with trainers. Based on the summer ball rosters it looks like that is changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
Foxhall was bad beyond development. How he managed the staff was atrocious.
Of course. The national title is going to outweigh anything. And Lemonis would only need to get to 1 more NCAA Tournament to match Stricklin's 3. However, I'm not convinced that 5 more years of Lemonis would have a better SEC winning percentage than Stricklin. He might.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Either way, it's clear that our standards aren't as high as the what an elite program's standards should be. "If we give him 10 years, Lemonis will have a better resume than a guy who got fired from Georgia!" OK, so what? That will be true for virtually any coach we would plausibly hire.
Standards? If Lemonis has another season like this one he will be gone. Whereas at Georgia he would have ten years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
People are confusing our current situation with our program standards for some reason. They're two separate things.
Our standards haven't changed. We're not going to deep six our baseball program so we can do this again in three years because we didn't handle Lemonis properly.
Bitch all y'all want but Selmon and MSU is handling this the right way whether you realize it or choose to realize it or not.
Todd, you're just making all these sweeping assertions without backup. "Do this again in three years" ... what? That comes from nowhere. There is no evidence that whatever coach we hired next (Haire or whoever) would be bad and get fired in 3 years. Any reasonably competent coach (of which there are dozens, probably more) can have us making Regionals most years, given our fanbase and resources. The odds that we would hire one who can are very low.
Now, "just making Regionals" shouldn't be good enough at MSU, but neither should "not making Regionals or even Hoover," yet here were are.
Also, we don't know what would happen at Georgia because Stricklin never had a season as bad as Lemonis's last 2. Stricklin's predecessor David Perno was up and down over the years, but Georgia never gave him the chance to have 2 straight awful years, much less 3:
https://i.imgur.com/8hvf86t.png
If 2012-13 was a bad enough 2-year stretch for Georgia to can Perno, despite his 3 Omaha appearances and a runner up, 2022-23 should be bad enough for a program of our higher stature and fan interest to can Lemonis, despite the good things he's good in his career.
ToughQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Standards absolutely have changed. The culture has changed. When Lemonis and mostly his guys took over it tanked. It was a perfect storm of guys that never had to be the man here and a head coach that never had to be toughQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Add Mizzou to the coaching search list.
Alabama, Georgia, and Missouri will all hire good coaches while we choose to have another shit year with Lemonis. We'll be kicking ourselves for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
There will always be a new flavor of the month. Even UGA's coach was a hot shot at one point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
But what we are seeing is that folks are not messing around with bad baseball situations.
Next years top guys? Masilkowski- Oregon and Vaughn - Maryland. We can watch regionals and see for sure. See which pitching staffs that throw strikes.
If this is true, Selmon will lose a lot of fan support early on. I really hope he was smart enough to over pay to get a pitching coach to see what we can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I just think Lemonis should have seen through Fox last year. The fact that he didn't and waited so late to firehim is why I've lost faith in Lemonis. I hope it gets fixed and we roll again but I have my doubts. We may be digging a deeper hole with nil and free transfer rule we may be okay next year but yall all talk how you recruit years ahead in baseball. We'll see but next year may be the one year we have to unload much of our nil money to save the baseball program.
Who's to say those coaches won't be hired away this year though? Both of them have impressive resumes through 2023.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer