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Unless he gets swept and run ruled this coming weekend, he'll be back. He saved himself this weekend.
You might disagree with it, and I might be with you, but it's where we're at.
Get a good pitching coach, hit the portal hard for pitchers, and build around our talented young core and highly ranked recruiting class.
Fantastic news!
Let?s suck again next year and then make the move so we can transition for 2 more after
I'm not a big dawg as many of you know- but I do hear things because I know a few people. The guys that pass me info- not one has said Lemonizik is gone fo sho. Not one. And some think he was going to get next year regardless of this weekend.
I just dont see us making a change.
Especially when our AD says he absolutely doesnt want to have to hire a baseball coach as his 1st move as AD
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
So what would he prefer his first move to be? Hiring our first wrestling coach? Might be awhile on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Dude wants to get comfortable in the job before making a Big 3 hireQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawgface
Ha. Well crap?..maybe he will be comfortable enough to do something in 2024.
That would definitely be the Mississippi State thing to do. Sounds like Selmon is fitting in already.
I say it doesn’t sound good if so.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
Any idea who will aid him in improving pitcher evals? I'd rather not have 7 or 8 guys who aren't SEC caliber arms on the team next year.
I guess reality is if the money boys doesn?t want to spend the money there?s nothing for him to do anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
This is my concern. I think Lemonis was genuinely surprised that we sucked and I think it must stem from the fact that he and whoever else evaluates didn’t really understand just how bad the pitching staff was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
I mean Lemones also thought Hancock could play catcher, can't blame that one on Fox. He's just very hit or miss on his evals. Gets some studs but wastes a lot of roster spots as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
I think you are correct and I trust your insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But let me say this and be clear: If this AD is scared to do his job then we’ve got the wrong guy. I’m certainly not saying he should get rid of Lemonis, Jans, or Arnett. But if he is reluctant or afraid to make a big 3 hire then we’ve got the wrong guy. A real leader would have that confidence and ability the first 15 minutes he was on the job. This is a big boy league. The timid, the reluctant, the bashful need to be in the Sun Belt Conference.
I hear ya and the point is valid. However, while our AD could 100% be right guy- expecting him to make the best hire in a realm where he has little to none experience is asking alot. He is a marketing, football guy that probably has a pulse on basketball coaches. Baseball is likely a place he is working to know his place. Dealing with agents as well as knowing the candidates. I seriously cant blame him for wanting to put off making this hire
And while the 2 wins this weekend were great our pitching still totally sucked in 2 of the 3 games. Defense was definitely better this weekend though.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
I can. This is the gоddamn SEC and if he can't handle the duties of the job, he needs to turn in his resignation immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Lem improved his odds but nothing is set in stone yet. We'll see what next week holds. Lem has to prove he can hire a great pitching coach as well. That's not a given unless Chris Young is waiting. He's going to miss the SEC tournament two straight years barring a miracle.
He had better figure out that his loyalties to players do not supersede his 17ing job to win games. He's not a great coach. I think the biggest question is whether simply making a regional is going to become our acceptable level of success. That's all Lem is going to do with his recruits IMO. The AD is wanting to pass the Buck. Disappointed in that. Money isn't a problem at all. We pay a top 5 salary. We get bottom of the SEC results.
Exactly, if he keeps Lem it better be because he's convinced it's the right move for the program. Not because "well, he just wasn't comfortable enough in the job yet to make a big hire." That's BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
It makes a lot of sense to bring him back if you take everything into consideration with our situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We would have at least 8 more wins right now with a below average pitching coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Lemonis is a hitting guy and he has done better than Foxhall did as far as managing the staff.
I have to agree with this. He yanked Holcomb Sat and then Hunt Sun quickly instead of letting them walk to bases loaded. I would be fine with him staying. Throw the money at a pitching coach and then go out and raid the portal for as many pitchers as we can. We have a really good core coming back next year, just need a 3B, a CF, RF, and a back up catcher. I’m not up to date on the recruiting class but I know we have a stud SS committed if he makes it through the draft. Hopefully we have some stud pitchers coming also. I know I did see the juco kid who was pitcher of year in the cape. (Sidearm kid who was plum nasty)Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
If Missouri and or Georgia win 1 game next weekend, State is eliminated from SEC tourney even if State sweeps A & M. No way he should be back next year. Lemonis is the Author, Editor, and Publisher of the Horror Story. I expect significant Portal entries by key players at end of season whether he is back or not. But we need new blood at the top.
Just being happy with Hoover is a ridiculously low standard for a program of our caliber, and Lemonis is about to fail at even that for the second consecutive year. It's just mind-boggling how some people could be OK with letting him do this for a 3rd year.
Yeah, the series win at LSU is awesome, but we're still not anywhere close to being a fringe bubble candidate for a Regional. Even if we sweep next week and finish 11-19 we're not going to get an at large bid no matter what. Most solid coaches would have taken this team to a Regional, but Lemonis wasn't able to.
No one is just OK with going to Hoover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
To me this is like when Dan went 6-7 with an Egg Bowl win and Peter Sirmon as our DC. We all knew that Dan had some success with us and we all knew that Sirmon was obviously THE problem. We all knew that Dan could turn it around with a better DC- which he did in 2017.
I feel pretty confident that Lemonis will turn it around with a new PC.
If I'm wrong I'm wrong but this team has talent to where it can be turned around pretty quickly I think.
No one is okay with just making HooverQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
If our only problem was pitching? Sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
But we have the worst defense in the league. Our offense is underperforming (10th in runs scored, 7th in OBP, 7th in SLG% vs our above league average recruiting and resources).
We also make some bad decisions regarding position personel (relying on Hackcock as a catcher)
So would a new Pitching coach make us better? Yes. Probably regional level better. But I have no faith Lemonis can get us to an actual high level of play which is our goal.
He doesn't want to hire one? Or he doesn't want to fire one?
Playing the what if game doesn't matter, it is what it is because of Lemonis. Just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Actually a lot of people are, sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
These last 2 seasons are the equivalent of going 3-9 or worse in football, not 6-7. And doing it in a world where we are one of only 4 schools in the SEC who cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Amazing but to each their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
We need a BIG upgrade at pitching coach not just a new one. Lemonis is the guy that hired and retained Lemonis who we all believe was terrible. Does Lemonis know a good pitching coach when he sees one? That's very much TBD at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
We don't have the pitchers. Lemonis signs off on recruiting. He's THE recruiter and makes the final decision. We don't have talent on the pitching side. And I'll have to accept Lemonis is coming back, which I can get, but I don't think he knows what the hell he's doing. I believe this is too big for him. We'll see. I just don't think he knows how to run a program like this. Too much a players coach and not willing to make tough decisions like firing a pitching coach until it's too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I'm not screaming fire the man like I was Foxy. But another poor year and he's done. Our hitting has sucked in SEC play by the way. We were 13th in hitting before yesterday. That's 17ing awful.
Anything less than hosting a regional next year should result in his firing. After two years in a row like this, I'm done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I'm with Sandjunky. It's pointless to bring him back at this point. He enters the season on the hot seat. If he loses a midweek game, or a weekend series to a G5 team (or below average P5 team), people will be calling for his head. He almost has to come in and have a national seed type season to quiet the calls for his firing. It's a near impossible uphill climb for him next year, and the most likely of all results is that he gets fired anyway. It would have been ok to take a step back for a couple of seasons (make Hoover, get to a regional as a 2 or 3 seed), but this isn't a step back. He destroyed the program's progress over the last decade+ in 2 short seasons. We're near all time lows for the program just 2 years removed from a national championship. That's insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowDawg
I understand what OP is saying, and they are probably right. They are definitely right in that my opinion doesn't matter. But this clown needs to go. It won't get better. Do we have a pretty good roster right now that could be greatly improved with better pitching? Yes, definitely. But guess what, this isn't the roster we'll have next year. I bet we get some transfers out that really hurt. Our recruiting class is probably about to see some changes for the worse if we keep our Lemon. This offseason is very important, no matter what we decide coaching wise.
What type of decent pitching coach can he actually coax into coming here? I mean a good up and comer ain't coming into a lame duck situation.
He makes a regional in 2024 and he will retain his job. We have been a 2 seed many times and gone on to make a Super
Well, the idea is that he's not a lame duck and next season we should be improvedQuote:
Originally Posted by msudawg1200
Hoping this means we might put more resources ($$$$) into football and basketball. Saving on a buyout I mean.