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I apologize for defending this the last few weeks. I felt like we were so close to getting over the hump. For that reason I wish we had all new coaches starting tomorrow because I still believe this team is talented enough for the post-season.
Also can we stop with any promotional highlights of this team from the marketing department until this team is as good as they think they are. Just stop it. It makes us look like a joke to see the promos with crap music to get you hyped about a crap team.
Respect for the post. But believing is easy, knowing is the hard part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Respect you owning it, dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
No need to apologize, nothing is wrong with being a true maroon fan. I didn’t see this coming either but his time will be short lived.
I'll give it to you, Cowbell. You hung in there but it was just obvious. Sadly.
Bad part is, I don't even think the anti-Lemonis crowd would have thought things in Lexington could have gone this poorly. These last 2 games have been more like KY playing Mississippi Valley State than Mississippi State.
As a proud member of that crowd I can assure you we did not. I was thinking one win would be absolute worst case meltdown mode scenario. Boy was I wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
I was the one of first ones out on Moorhead so I know what's it's like on the other side. Kept hoping you guys were wrong here.Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
Oh no doubt. I wanted nothing more than to be wrong. Even missed two days of self-employed work to drive 3 hours to Biloxi this week in hopes. And there was a slight glimpse Tuesday and Wednesday. Should have known better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
I'm far from anti-Lemonis, too. I wanted him to get it fixed. I really like him (I often think about that video with his dad and the trophy), but something is broken in our baseball program and the buck stops with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
That?s the thing - people want to hold onto that emotion because they can connect to it - it was a special momentQuote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
It sucks he has soured it
You're definitely right about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
I too thought Lemonis would turn it around. Now I want him fired tomorrow morning.
That's where I am as well. You put in words my feelings. No one's getting fired during the season so I'm gonna keep pulling for this bunch to get it going but it's ugly right now, really ugly. I'll always wait and see until the end of the season but obviously if this continues it's not gonna end well for anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Have lacked an identity since the 2021 CWS. Rather our identity is soft since that CWS.
This is me as well. In spite of being an MSU fan, I'm an eternal optimist. I'm always going to believe our teams are going to turn it around until they can't. I want them to because I want us to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
100%! I just don't have it in me to give up until it's all final, even when it's ugly, I just always keep pulling and fighting. Plenty of time to fuss about things when it all comes to an end.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
ETA I'm not adverse to anyone criticizing coaching or effort when it's called for, that's definitely appropriate at times, and I will as well, this weekend was ugly all the way around from top to bottom.
I think you are correct about not giving up. But when things seem to be going downhill as fast as we have since the Natty you have to look at who is responsible. Lemonis makes some serious money, times have changed hanging on coaches too long nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Yep he parlayed the NC into having the highest paid staff in the country at the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Oh I agree but no one's getting fired until after the season(if this continues)Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
so that's the reason I say I'm not giving up because until there's a change I'll keep pulling for whoever's there to turn
it around. And right now it's ugly I think we all see that.
I'm trying to understand baseball. Football is my schtick. I can tell you the moves/angles/leverage for almost all positions. I have no idea what's wrong. Something is definitely amiss. This team is more talented than the championship team in my worthless opinion. No clue what's wrong but the buck stops at Lemo. This is becoming embarrassing.
Baseball is less about talent than football or basketball. Think about it this way - in the 1980s, the Yankees continually had the best roster that money could buy. Dave Winfield, Don Mattingly, Ron Guidry, Righetti, Willie Randolph, Rickey Henderson, etc etc. And they couldn't get out of their own way. They were a team on paper. There was no trust. No shared experiences. Culture, hustle, grit, dirt bag mentality - whatever you want to call it - can make you the better team and a team that can roll more talented teams regularly. I'd never believe it if I hadn't seen happen and been on both ends of the equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein
From 2011 thru 2021 we had that. We were like Bain - we'd been born in it, raised in it. You could smell it on us when we walked on the field. We went to CWS final in 2013 with no starting pitching. We got embarrassed by 2015 and went out and beat the shit out of the whole SEC in 2016. And I've never seen anything like Big Hit Mac in 2018. No to mention how many come from behind wins we had in 2021 during the regular season. But, right now, it's like looking at Polks teams after he retired/unretired in '92 - they were just going thru the motions while the coaches were mentally focused elsewhere.
What's the story there? Before my time. I only remember Polk II, which was a lot of meh with a CWS Appearance.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Polk announced in the Spring of '92 he would retire to take over USA baseball (IIRCC). Something happened and he changed his mind, then started some of his crusade against the NCAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
So is that when we decided we probably needed to go ahead and get Pat back into the fold so he could take over?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Great post as always, Bruns. Your posts are always well thought out and don't carry all the emotional baggage of most. Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Would one of you cats give me a "parallel" type scenario from football that might help me understand y'all's baseball situation?
Is it an Ed Orgeron/Les Miles/Gene Chizik type thing?
Chizik particularly.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
Cohen. Say what you want about him as an AD or whatever else off the field, a lot that I don?t like. But he was a hell of a coach and perfect for us. He cared about State baseball. He made those kids care about it. I loved him as a coach and I wish we could get him back. I think him and those staffs deserve a lot more credit for 2011-2021 than they getQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
The one thing I will give Lemonis rn is that he has beaten OM with great consistency. We were doing that with Cann and Henderson did it too, Cohen had his moments against them but I dont think he had the success Lemonis has had. But him and those staffs instilled that mentality into this program
No apology necessary. It's easier for some than it is for the rest of us to leave our optimism behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Miss State has historically kept coaches around too many extra years for one sentimental reason or another. JWS about three years too many. Stands about three years too many. Croom about two years too many. Ray about four years too many. Our AD's have just screwed it up over the years. Canning Moorhead was the first time they dump someone really fast and it paid off. If things don't improve in the baseball situation a change must be made. FASTER and SOONER.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
cohen realized the flaws in his recent baseball hire and that made it easier to seek other employment.
Emory Bellard......(thank you for the Bama win and LSU wins)....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
We kept Moorhead for a year too long if you ask me. I left that Outback Bowl wanting to can his ass before he got on the plane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
I love Lemonis the man, the coach, not so much. I?ve been around baseball most my life, playing & coaching.
I?ve seen things I would do differently, some head scratchers, and some obvious, but what I don?t see is a well organized, fundamentally sound coached team.
Like B.B said, the thrill is gone.
The only reason he wasn't gone sooner was because of that 85 bears defense....Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
That and he was genuinely a nice guy and a good recruiter. Just got too hard headed about the offense. Moorhead is one of the best men I have met that had that big of a public figureQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell