The elephant in the room on challenge for OC search is

that CZA likely wants to change or tweak what we do on O but we don't have the personnel to do it fully in year 1. Any new proven OC knows that and doesn't want to walk into that situation.

Another thought is CZA probably hasn't spent a great deal of time thinking about his own O philosophy but he knows he doesn't want the 95 version of ai raid and is searching himself.

CZA feels the pressure to win in his first big chance as HC.

We are gonna have to find the next good up and commer OC just like CZA is. I think we can get it done. Next year will be a transition year but our D will win us enough games to go bowling. Get the right OC and we can have a great year.

Good news is it will be hard for the offense to be worse vs sec teams than it was this year.

And as pointed out in another thread - CZA is an unknown as a HC. That makes it hard to bring some one in who isn't very familiar with him. He has been around a long time or with many teams, so he doesn't have a deep network of former colleagues to reach out to or who can speak of up for him.

That's why I think we may end up with Mason Miller or someone similar.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

And as pointed out in another thread - CZA is an unknown as a HC. That makes it hard to bring some one in who isn't very familiar with him. He has been around a long time or with many teams, so he doesn't have a deep network of former colleagues to reach out to or who can speak of up for him.

That's why I think we may end up with Mason Miller or someone similar.

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I see miller has OC experience at a lower level. Anyone know if his offense is leach/mumme style or different?

Not saying Miller would be a bad OC, but of we thought that highly of his potential why didn't we name him the OC for the bowl game?

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Not saying Miller would be a bad OC, but of we thought that highly of his potential why didn't we name him the OC for the bowl game?

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If he's the OC, we've certainly missed on a few guys. No way around that

If we go with Miller, we have missed on more than a few guys. Our two WR coaches are now OCs in G5 schools. And from my eyes on Monday Spurrier?s play calling was just fine. The plays were there all day, the QB execution was not. We literally won that game by an inch of green grass on a 4th down high throw that our receiver made a great catch and an even greater 1 foot landing!

We need a Respected OC/QB coach who can get Rogers Head on straight and beat the fear out of him, or is willing to play another QB ahead of a record breaking senior.

And to some degree, in Will?s defense, our Oline coach has got to get those front 5 more consistent in protection.

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We literally won that game by an inch of green grass on a 4th down high throw that our receiver made a great catch and an even greater 1 foot landing!

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You are being awful generous on that inch. Looked to me more like the width of a sheet of paper. Nevertheless, it was 6 points. And a really big 6 at that.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

And as pointed out in another thread - CZA is an unknown as a HC. That makes it hard to bring some one in who isn't very familiar with him. He has been around a long time or with many teams, so he doesn't have a deep network of former colleagues to reach out to or who can speak of up for him.

That's why I think we may end up with Mason Miller or someone similar.

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Yep. We can offer a lot of money and autonomy. That's big. But not much else to offer when it comes to recruiting Power 5 offensive coordinators.

I think I would be pleased with Bryan Ellis, OC, at Georgia State. I just don't want our offense to go back to a run first offense. I still like Phil Longo's philosophy with the moderniized air raid concept. If I have to pass the ball every down in a game I will or if I have to run the ball every down I will. Take what the defense gives you and score points.

May be pretty good insight. Just hope Arnett is tough enough to weather this transition...and it's got to be tough for him.

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If he's the OC, we've certainly missed on a few guys. No way around that

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I don't know where that rumor is coming from either. And that's not from a source, that's from me. We didn't give Mason a guaranteed spot on the staff and people think he's gonna be the OC?? Really?? And I like mason. Hope it works out for him to stay. But not likely I don't think. But still possible.

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May be pretty good insight. Just hope Arnett is tough enough to weather this transition...and it's got to be tough for him.

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I'll tell you this, if there is one thing arnett is, it's tough. He's a tough sob. He's not going to whither...

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I'll tell you this, if there is one thing arnett is, it's tough. He's a tough sob. He's not going to whither...

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Yeah Arnett ain't no daisy.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I don't know where that rumor is coming from either. And that's not from a source, that's from me. We didn't give Mason a guaranteed spot on the staff and people think he's gonna be the OC?? Really?? And I like mason. Hope it works out for him to stay. But not likely I don't think. But still possible.

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They trying to think of ways to keep Mason with Friend now on board, I think.

Heard at the basketball game (brutal to watch that "offense", as usual. No chance to get an OC from that staff.**), that Zach is holding off on an OC until he attends the Coaches' Convention. Struck fear into my heart, as I had a flashback of that was where Dan found Sirmon!!!!! Find the right guy ASAP! Hail State!

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Heard at the basketball game (brutal to watch that "offense", as usual. No chance to get an OC from that staff.**), that Zach is holding off on an OC until he attends the Coaches' Convention. Struck fear into my heart, as I had a flashback of that was where Dan found Sirmon!!!!! Find the right guy ASAP! Hail State!

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True but also where he ditched Sirmon a year later to trade for Grantham with Louisville.

We have a first year head coach with very few contacts who has a quarterback returning that would not be able to run almost any offense in the country outside what he has been running and ZA wants to get away from that offense. All that combines for a shit show of an OC search.

Are there not going to be coaches getting fired next week in the NFL? Maybe there will be a great NFL assistant coach, with great ability, looking for an opportunity like a SEC O coordinator? Who knows if that person could be a gold nugget.

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I think I would be pleased with Bryan Ellis, OC, at Georgia State. I just don't want our offense to go back to a run first offense. I still like Phil Longo's philosophy with the moderniized air raid concept. If I have to pass the ball every down in a game I will or if I have to run the ball every down I will. Take what the defense gives you and score points.

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Ellis? numbers when he doesn?t have Clay Helton holding his hand telling him what to call.

2019:
Scoring Offense: 91st
Total: 81st
Passing: 40th
1st down: 79th
3rd downs: 48th
Red Zone: 116th

2020:
Scoring Offense: 115th
Total: 121st
Passing: 112th
1st down: 118th
3rd downs: 66th
Red Zone: 94th

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Are there not going to be coaches getting fired next week in the NFL? Maybe there will be a great NFL assistant coach, with great ability, looking for an opportunity like a SEC O coordinator? Who knows if that person could be a gold nugget.

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Joe. Brady.

I'm just gonna manifest it. He wants an OC job to get him the HC job next year

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

They trying to think of ways to keep Mason with Friend now on board, I think.

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There are ways possible- Mason to rb. Will to te. Etc. do I think it's likely? Less than 50-50 more like 25-75. But it's possible

I have no idea who the OC is goi g to be. But he won't be coming from the championship game. We aren't waiting on that. I think we have our guy by Thursday. This isn't as easy as it appears from a time frame point. It will work itself out.

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There are ways possible- Mason to rb. Will to te. Etc. do I think it's likely? Less than 50-50 more like 25-75. But it's possible

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That's where I see it too

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I have no idea who the OC is goi g to be. But he won't be coming from the championship game. We aren't waiting on that. I think we have our guy by Thursday. This isn't as easy as it appears from a time frame point. It will work itself out.

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Good to hear you sound optimistic about it.

I keep hearing mason or friend potentially to TE. Seems unless we find an OC soon, it's gonna be hard to get a TE. Our only way is through the portal, and why would a TE come here when we haven't used one in 3 years and no OC in place?

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I have no idea who the OC is goi g to be. But he won't be coming from the championship game. We aren't waiting on that. I think we have our guy by Thursday. This isn't as easy as it appears from a time frame point. It will work itself out.

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I'm not sure I follow. Thursday is well after the NC game. And who's to say there hasn't already been some contact with whomever is a possibility from the NC game?

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I'm not sure I follow. Thursday is well after the NC game. And who's to say there hasn't already been some contact with whomever is a possibility from the NC game?

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Thursday has nothing to do with the title game on Monday. The Coaches Conference is this week.

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Thursday has nothing to do with the title game on Monday. The Cosches Cinference is this week.

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The reason I ask is he said we're not waiting on the NC game like it's after Thursday. I'll go crawl back in my hole since I don't follow.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I keep hearing mason or friend potentially to TE. Seems unless we find an OC soon, it's gonna be hard to get a TE. Our only way is through the portal, and why would a TE come here when we haven't used one in 3 years and no OC in place?

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Playing time would be almost assured.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I keep hearing mason or friend potentially to TE. Seems unless we find an OC soon, it's gonna be hard to get a TE. Our only way is through the portal, and why would a TE come here when we haven't used one in 3 years and no OC in place?

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I had rather him keep Mason at OL coach but if takes being the TE coach then so be it. I just hope we keep him. No OC is the main reason we are 0 on portal wr receivers too and not knowing what type of offense we are going to run.