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10-29-2022, 10:59 PM
Randolph Dupree

John Cohen

Not heart broken about losing Cohen, never been a huge fan of him as our AD. His track record is not so great in the major sports. Cannizzaro was a bad hire (I originally gave Cohen a pass on this one until I got some additional insight that changed my perspective), NML was a disaster, JoMo wasn't good (even if it was a great hire on paper, he botched the firing after the egg bowl so we waited until after the bowl game), he ran his mouth during the second baseball search. The jury is still out on the new basketball hires (I hope both do very well). IMO all coaching hires are crapshoots BUT he really hasn't hit on the first one in any sport. As far as raising $$; my enthusiasm to give is lower than it has ever been. I gave up my football tickets 2 years ago (had same seats for a decade+). I still give but not as much and as enthusiastically as I used to.

All that being said it is concerning to me that we are losing our second alumnus AD to another program. My question is why? Cohen took a substantial pay cut to become AD; so hard to believe it's money. Cohen does t strike me as a guy that believes MSU/he can't compete, so it isn't that. Auburn is. Dumpster fire in football, and known for being run by boosters. Plus it's little brother to Bama. So it isn't like he's leaving for a no-lose
Situation. So shy leave?

All I can figure is:

1. Cohen has some things he wants to pursue to better the program and his upper leadership is stifling him so he's leaving
OR
2. He feels
That he's tied to Leach and that he is not going to be successful here and wants to get out while he can.

What do y'all think "
10-29-2022, 11:06 PM
Leeshouldveflanked

He pissed off the wrong person.
10-29-2022, 11:18 PM
CaptainObvious

Nell woke up Wednesday and realized there is no Target with Unisex bathrooms in Starkville.
10-29-2022, 11:23 PM
EdwardDrayton

He always will be a Dawg much like Polk. Don’t really care where he’s going as much as what a new guy can do for us. Better days. Time for Keenum to show if he’s worth his salt.
10-29-2022, 11:36 PM
sleepy dawg

I'm really confused as to how exactly we got here. Does anyone actually know why this all went down?
10-29-2022, 11:56 PM
PikeDawg15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randolph Dupree

Not heart broken about losing Cohen, never been a huge fan of him as our AD. His track record is not so great in the major sports. Cannizzaro was a bad hire (I originally gave Cohen a pass on this one until I got some additional insight that changed my perspective), NML was a disaster, JoMo wasn't good (even if it was a great hire on paper, he botched the firing after the egg bowl so we waited until after the bowl game), he ran his mouth during the second baseball search. The jury is still out on the new basketball hires (I hope both do very well). IMO all coaching hires are crapshoots BUT he really hasn't hit on the first one in any sport. As far as raising $$; my enthusiasm to give is lower than it has ever been. I gave up my football tickets 2 years ago (had same seats for a decade+). I still give but not as much and as enthusiastically as I used to.

All that being said it is concerning to me that we are losing our second alumnus AD to another program. My question is why? Cohen took a substantial pay cut to become AD; so hard to believe it's money. Cohen does t strike me as a guy that believes MSU/he can't compete, so it isn't that. Auburn is. Dumpster fire in football, and known for being run by boosters. Plus it's little brother to Bama. So it isn't like he's leaving for a no-lose
Situation. So shy leave?

All I can figure is:

1. Cohen has some things he wants to pursue to better the program and his upper leadership is stifling him so he's leaving
OR
2. He feels
That he's tied to Leach and that he is not going to be successful here and wants to get out while he can.

What do y'all think "

The word is that he pissed off a very wealthy donor.
10-29-2022, 11:57 PM
Bothrops

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randolph Dupree

Not heart broken about losing Cohen, never been a huge fan of him as our AD. His track record is not so great in the major sports. Cannizzaro was a bad hire (I originally gave Cohen a pass on this one until I got some additional insight that changed my perspective), NML was a disaster, JoMo wasn't good (even if it was a great hire on paper, he botched the firing after the egg bowl so we waited until after the bowl game), he ran his mouth during the second baseball search. The jury is still out on the new basketball hires (I hope both do very well). IMO all coaching hires are crapshoots BUT he really hasn't hit on the first one in any sport. As far as raising $$; my enthusiasm to give is lower than it has ever been. I gave up my football tickets 2 years ago (had same seats for a decade+). I still give but not as much and as enthusiastically as I used to.

All that being said it is concerning to me that we are losing our second alumnus AD to another program. My question is why? Cohen took a substantial pay cut to become AD; so hard to believe it's money. Cohen does t strike me as a guy that believes MSU/he can't compete, so it isn't that. Auburn is. Dumpster fire in football, and known for being run by boosters. Plus it's little brother to Bama. So it isn't like he's leaving for a no-lose
Situation. So shy leave?

All I can figure is:

1. Cohen has some things he wants to pursue to better the program and his upper leadership is stifling him so he's leaving
OR
2. He feels
That he's tied to Leach and that he is not going to be successful here and wants to get out while he can.

What do y'all think "

Good post.

Few things,

Auburn is a mess in football, but one correct hire can clean that up extremely fast. It's not like here, where that isn't going to happen. Auburn basketball is where MSU basketball should be, currently, or at least should have been at some point over the last decade. Instead, they have the new building, and a recent final 4, while we are attempting to revamp a campus eyesore to gain support/attendance back that has evaporated. Auburn baseball is competitive, a step down from here, but you can bet a new emphasis will be placed regarding the program under Cohen. Those are some realities and selling points.

The negatives are very real as well. The football program will need a successful, sitting head coach from a P5 program that checks all the criteria. A big recruiter, a successful, proven scheme of offense, someone that can handle booster clubs on the merit of results and won't capitulate to big money assholes that don't know what they're talking about. A significant network of coaching connections. Real knowledge of the SEC landscape, not bullshit talk from some yankee or west coast journeyman. And a big recruiter that understands real rivalries.

If they can pull that off in football, Cohen will be successful, if they don't, he won't.
10-30-2022, 12:04 AM
PikeDawg15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bothrops

Good post.

Few things,

Auburn is a mess in football, but one correct hire can clean that up extremely fast. It's not like here, where that isn't going to happen. Auburn basketball is where MSU basketball should be, currently, or at least should have been at some point over the last decade. Instead, they have the new building, and a recent final 4, while we are attempting to revamp a campus eyesore to gain support/attendance back that has evaporated. Auburn baseball is competitive, a step down from here, but you can bet a new emphasis will be placed regarding the program under Cohen. Those are some realities and selling points.

The negatives are very real as well. The football program will need a successful, sitting head coach from a P5 program that checks all the criteria. A big recruiter, a successful, proven scheme of offense, someone that can handle booster clubs on the merit of results and won't capitulate to big money assholes that don't know what they're talking about. A significant network of coaching connections. Real knowledge of the SEC landscape, not bullshit talk from some yankee or west coast journeyman. And a big recruiter that understands real rivalries.

If they can pull that off in football, Cohen will be successful, if they don't, he won't.

Their fans are basically demanding Deion sanders right now
10-30-2022, 12:54 AM
Todd4State

What I can't figure out is why Auburn wants him? Or why he wants to go there.

I've heard that Stricklin was in trouble for protecting Dan after the 2015 Egg Bowl debacle and Keenum told him that he would fire both of them if 2016 wasn't better. Stricklin left shortly after Dan lost to South Alabama. So that adds up.

Cohen pissing off a major booster seems plausible knowing his reputation and personality, but I haven't heard anything firm on that. Still not sure why Auburn would want him. They of all schools need someone that can deal well with boosters.

I have heard that Keenum didn't really want to hire Cohen in the first place so I don't think Keenum firing him would be something completely surprising. There was a reason why Keenum was upset at the Clarion-Ledger for leaking that Cohen was going to be the AD as it sabotaged the search at the time.
10-30-2022, 12:57 AM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bothrops

Good post.

Few things,

Auburn is a mess in football, but one correct hire can clean that up extremely fast. It's not like here, where that isn't going to happen. Auburn basketball is where MSU basketball should be, currently, or at least should have been at some point over the last decade. Instead, they have the new building, and a recent final 4, while we are attempting to revamp a campus eyesore to gain support/attendance back that has evaporated. Auburn baseball is competitive, a step down from here, but you can bet a new emphasis will be placed regarding the program under Cohen. Those are some realities and selling points.

The negatives are very real as well. The football program will need a successful, sitting head coach from a P5 program that checks all the criteria. A big recruiter, a successful, proven scheme of offense, someone that can handle booster clubs on the merit of results and won't capitulate to big money assholes that don't know what they're talking about. A significant network of coaching connections. Real knowledge of the SEC landscape, not bullshit talk from some yankee or west coast journeyman. And a big recruiter that understands real rivalries.

If they can pull that off in football, Cohen will be successful, if they don't, he won't.

The question is can Cohen make that hire in football? I really don't think he can. They need a Lane Kiffin. He'll probably hire Joe Judge.
10-30-2022, 01:09 AM
PikeDawg15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd4State

What I can't figure out is why Auburn wants him? Or why he wants to go there.

I've heard that Stricklin was in trouble for protecting Dan after the 2015 Egg Bowl debacle and Keenum told him that he would fire both of them if 2016 wasn't better. Stricklin left shortly after Dan lost to South Alabama. So that adds up.

Cohen pissing off a major booster seems plausible knowing his reputation and personality, but I haven't heard anything firm on that. Still not sure why Auburn would want him. They of all schools need someone that can deal well with boosters.

I have heard that Keenum didn't really want to hire Cohen in the first place so I don't think Keenum firing him would be something completely surprising. There was a reason why Keenum was upset at the Clarion-Ledger for leaking that Cohen was going to be the AD as it sabotaged the search at the time.

I just read their thread on the AU family message board.

Multiple people are saying that Cohen is apparently very good friends with Deion Sanders and is planning on hiring Deion Sanders

Is that true ???
10-30-2022, 04:41 AM
Reunion Dog

Last paragraph has a lot of truths in it. Keenum was in Atlanta interviewing 2 damn good folks and Cohen heard about it? rather the male cheerleader from Jackson prep did and they planted the story in the CL. Keenum was screwed by his own workers and STILL let it happen. That to me is not leadership.
10-30-2022, 07:09 AM
Bothrops

Quote:

Originally Posted by PikeDawg15

Their fans are basically demanding Deion sanders right now

Yeah, their crazier fans. If I'm Auburn, I have my guy selected and will be doing exactly whatever it takes to get him out from a division rival. There's one way to return to national prominence in my mind and he's the ticket. Oh yeah, need an AD in the chair when this happens. If they fail to do this, Cohen will have a tough time when the demons come.
10-30-2022, 07:41 AM
basedog

I think the rumor about his "family" may be one of the reasons.
10-30-2022, 07:46 AM
Catfish

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepy dawg

I'm really confused as to how exactly we got here. Does anyone actually know why this all went down?

Agree, this was kind of sudden. Who's got the scoop?
10-30-2022, 07:46 AM
trob115

I told y'all back during baseball season that Cohen was in trouble with the big BDC members. Honestly, I'm surprised he made it this long.
10-30-2022, 08:06 AM
bulldogcountry1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reunion Dog

Last paragraph has a lot of truths in it. Keenum was in Atlanta interviewing 2 damn good folks and Cohen heard about it? rather the male cheerleader from Jackson prep did and they planted the story in the CL. Keenum was screwed by his own workers and STILL let it happen. That to me is not leadership.

I remember at the time Stricklin announced he was leaving that there were some public comments made by Cohen and others that made it sound like Cohen was immediately inserting himself into AD business. Whether or not he was asked to do so, I don?t know. It just seemed like a done deal before it started.
10-30-2022, 09:05 AM
TheLostDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by basedog

I think the rumor about his "family" may be one of the reasons.

His family is from Tuscaloosa.
10-30-2022, 10:20 AM
basedog

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

His family is from Tuscaloosa.

I don't think that is the reason. Just saying.
10-30-2022, 08:07 PM
Maroonthirteen

Quote:

Originally Posted by trob115

I told y'all back during baseball season that Cohen was in trouble with the big BDC members. Honestly, I'm surprised he made it this long.

What in particular did Cohen do to get into hot water with BDC members?
10-31-2022, 12:36 AM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

What in particular did Cohen do to get into hot water with BDC members?

I think it may be more of a what he didn't do.
10-31-2022, 08:45 AM
PikeDawg15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bothrops

Yeah, their crazier fans. If I'm Auburn, I have my guy selected and will be doing exactly whatever it takes to get him out from a division rival. There's one way to return to national prominence in my mind and he's the ticket. Oh yeah, need an AD in the chair when this happens. If they fail to do this, Cohen will have a tough time when the demons come.

Lane Kiffin ?
10-31-2022, 08:51 AM
WhiskeyPirate

Cohen refused to get involved in NIL/fund raising from what I’ve read, and Auburn has loads of NIL which don’t require the AD to get involved in fund raising. That sounds about right. He’s definitely dropped the ball on NIL.
10-31-2022, 11:29 AM
trob115

Cohen just rubbed people the wrong way. He had a knack for ignoring the most important donors we have in the BDC. Heck, I know he never even introduced himself to over half of the top 50 donors, and that's unacceptable. He was within a whisker of being fired last year. Keenum kept that from happening, but in hindsight, he obviously changed his mind. Cohen also is very stubborn with NIL changes and was not open to promoting NIL giving.
10-31-2022, 11:32 AM
BeardoMSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate

Cohen refused to get involved in NIL/fund raising from what I’ve read, and Auburn has loads of NIL which don’t require the AD to get involved in fund raising. That sounds about right. He’s definitely dropped the ball on NIL.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trob115

Cohen just rubbed people the wrong way. He had a knack for ignoring the most important donors we have in the BDC. Heck, I know he never even introduced himself to over half of the top 50 donors, and that's unacceptable. He was within a whisker of being fired last year. Keenum kept that from happening, but in hindsight, he obviously changed his mind. Cohen also is very stubborn with NIL changes and was not open to promoting NIL giving.

Adapt or die.

Hopefully the next guy will be willing to maximize state's position in the world...
10-31-2022, 11:37 AM
Catfish

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Adapt or die.

Hopefully the next guy will be willing to maximize state's position in the world...

It's all about salesmanship.
10-31-2022, 12:14 PM
Goldendawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by trob115

Cohen just rubbed people the wrong way. He had a knack for ignoring the most important donors we have in the BDC. Heck, I know he never even introduced himself to over half of the top 50 donors, and that's unacceptable. He was within a whisker of being fired last year. Keenum kept that from happening, but in hindsight, he obviously changed his mind. Cohen also is very stubborn with NIL changes and was not open to promoting NIL giving.

I was at a game during the end of Jackie years when we were looking bad and losing at halftime. As i was standing with a group of generous BDC members, LT had gotten off the elevator and walked by us. I looked at him and said, "Mr. Templeton, we have some problems out there." He stopped, looked at me, smartly turned on his heels, and walked away. Guess he was in a hurry.** So, maybe this is why Cohen was called LT 2.0 by some. Hope AU falls further.
10-31-2022, 12:25 PM
Saltydog

Quote:

Originally Posted by trob115

Cohen just rubbed people the wrong way. He had a knack for ignoring the most important donors we have in the BDC. Heck, I know he never even introduced himself to over half of the top 50 donors, and that's unacceptable. He was within a whisker of being fired last year. Keenum kept that from happening, but in hindsight, he obviously changed his mind. Cohen also is very stubborn with NIL changes and was not open to promoting NIL giving.

That's going to be everywhere though. The more people give to NIL the less they are going to donate to the school.