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Baseball with 8 straight losses. I can?t recall a losing streak this long ever. I graduated in 1973 and have always loved and followed MSU Baseball. It?s the biggest letdown lay down disappointing season for me. No excuses for how bad this season has gone.
It's crazy. And I know I'm in denial, but I still don't think we are that bad. We have some serious hitters 1-7 and Forsythe has been hitting in the 9 hole. We are 4th nationally in defense. It's the bull pen. I know we have had some injuires, but so does every pitching staff. Lemonis and his staff really dropped the ball not adding a couple of arms from the portal. Got content or got too optimistic about some guys making a jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
If we ever have I do not remember it. And I do not want to be reminded of it. One instance of it in my head is already enough to have to deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Well the good news about being this bad... it's kinda hard to get worse
WOLF !!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
2010:
Lost 3 in a row Bama
Then lost 3 straight to Mississippi
Lost Jackson State
Lost to USM
Swept by Auburn to lose 11 in a row
beat NW St
Swept by Vandy to lose our 12th SEC game in a row
Beat the Nasty Bunch
Then lost the first 2 to LSU for 14 straight SEC losses
People forget the hole Polk left us in
Backups haven’t stepped up from the pen. You can never have enough arms, it’s so bad not having ANY relievers, not even one!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
One thing for sure, losing is contagious, no character building and confidence is gone. I think many players play so much baseball at young ages and year around that they peak or burnout. It’s gotten worse the last say decade.
I haven’t forgotten how bad Polk ll teams were, but thanks for the info. This team is much worse as we had 6 starters back from a Natty. Lots of parity in college baseball now days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I haven't....and never will.....but he left us in the early 90's with that NCAA crapQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Anybody got a neuralyzer I can borrow nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
That year was absolutely brutal. That loss to Jackson State was worse than the Maine loss to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Today wasn't so bad ... I played golf and missed the game... and putted better than msu pitching
Polk 1.0 ended after the '97 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgoneyall
I don't know any team that has lost their ace, their closer and two other fairly key relievers. Even Stinnett could have eaten an inning or two here and there. With roster limits we can't just recruit unlimited arms. Actually what's happening to us now is why I think there should be a reserve group that you can call up in case of injury to put on the roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Thanks for reminding me.** That was the worst I've ever seen MSU baseball. At least this group is competitive somewhat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I went to that Jackson State game. That was probably the most furious I have ever been after a MSU baseball loss. That's probably the biggest win in JSU history and they dogpiled after the game. I can't hate on them for that- they deserved it. If I remember right their pitchers couldn't really throw strikes and we just kept swinging at anything in the area code often missing because it wasn't even close to the strike zone. Kendall Graveman pitched pretty well. The JSU fans were impressed with how hard he threw. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
I'm pretty sure I called for Cohen to be fired after that game on sixpack and I don't even really regret it. And I have typically defended Cohen as a coach.
Officially.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheIttaBenaHotSun
He tried to leave I think around 1991 or 1992 or so and LT and legend has it Everett Kennard begged him to stay. He did end up staying. And we kind of went into a small decline for 1993-1994. Then he hired Pat McMahon to be the pitching coach/coach in waiting essentially from Old Dominion where he was the head coach. And we brought in the top recruiting class in the country and ended up going to Omaha for Polk I's last year in 1997. And McMahon's first year in 1998.
The thing about RP announcing his retirement in the early 90's and LT and a few others talked him out of it was a huge Mistake! He was burnt out dealing and battling a losing cause against the Ncaa although everyone in general agreed with him. Baseball wasn't a factor back then to most schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Also, word I got when Pat McMahon was HC, he got tired of RP around the the team and clubhouse all the time, kept metaling with his team. Then of course the RP II era was the biggest mistake in Msu baseball, his ego was so huge he wouldn't leave Starkville to recruit, then when he was fired he tried to destroy Msu baseball. But as time has past all things are forgiven and Msu baseball moved on only to have lots of in house troubles. Hopefully we get everything back on track and be Miss State baseball again when we all can enjoy what we have built over many decades.
It’s definitely a bad year this year but I honestly think this will be an outlier. I fully expect us to be back next year. By back, I mean firmly in the hosting seat although maybe not a national seed.
This was just a funky year that happens every once in a blue moon.
It's hard to see that as of today. I guess we will see what the roster looks like in a few months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
Ham, I like your optimism, but it all starts with pitching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
For the life of me, I just don't see the quantity or quality of arms needed that allows us to push back to elite status where we are in competition for a top-8 seed.
We need at least 3 elite portal arms. I don't know if that's realisitic.Quote:
Originally Posted by WSOPdawg
Only way we could possibly do that is to go out and recruit players that may not be actively looking to leave where they're at but would come here if we can get them some big NIL monies. Other than that you're right, ain't happening.
that's what we should do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
We'd rob someone of their von seibertQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
easy there.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You seem to also be in denial that we've left a record number of runners on base this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
NO CLUTCH HITTING with this lineup.
Well we now are on pace to tie the longest losing streak.
No worries. Next weekend will be brutalQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Should have taken the win Friday night with Preston Johnson in relief.
when you are homerun or bust, it makes it harder to get those clutch hits. Just not a well constructed team.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
We'll be lucky to get 1 top notch guy. But we do need at least 3 arms that contribute.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
It's going to be tough to bring in 5 guys total that are top notch SEC players. We will be lucky to get more than 3
We've been tied or had the lead in the 7th inning in 5 of the last 9 losses. That means we have been able to generate runs most days. Say what you will about timely hitting - but the bullpen has easily cost 10 wins this season if not more.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/baseball/...individual/205Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
Start at the top and work our way down
People forget that there are other avenues to acquiring talent other than the portal. Those expecting us to go out and get 12 players to go along with Hunter Hines next year are in for a rude awakening. People talk about Nate Lowe and Jack Kruger all the time with the 2016 team. But forget that we added two freshmen- Jake Mangum and Hunter Stovall along with two JUCO pitchers in Ryan Rigby and Blake Smith to also stabilize the team. Konnor Pilkington also came in and took the Sunday spot in the rotation too. Another thing that happened was Hudson, Sexton, and Houston all taking a step forward. We also don't know what the coaching carousel is going to look like. If Ole Miss loses Bianco we better be all over Jacob Gonzalez for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm definitely expecting us to hit the portal hard this offseason. We've had very good success there- Yeager, Dubrule, Simmons, JP France, and Zach Neff. Jess Davis has been questionably used so I can't call him a bust either.
I think we get some guys back for their junior or senior year like Kellum Clark. We need to figure that out first. I really like Holcombe and Ernie Day from the JUCO ranks. We really need them to be instant impact guys right away. And we need to see what our pitchers like Fristoe, Cade, and Tepper look like this offseason. If they can get their command together we will suddenly have a solid staff. And of course we may find a freshman or two that can come in right away and help.
By hard I mean I could see us getting five guys depending on other factors with the draft.
I predict home runs will go way down next year, but our extra base hits will more than double. This whole off season they will focus more on gap hitting and less about raw power.
If 3 of our current arms can develop dramatically (possible) and they can get 2 guys that contribute immediately we should be ok.
Maybe. Completely depends on the skill sets of the players we bring in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
I wish someone that follows baseball recruiting would start a Sticky thread for baseball recruiting so guys like me can keep up
You are dead on, its the bullpen. It feels bad everywhere when we don't play a perfect game but we are solid everywhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg