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All of them need to go. Jans would do well with a clean slate.
You want the new coach to fill a complete roster? Sounds dumb to me. What's he waiting for to fill spots?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
Really sorry to see Garcia go. He was making really good strides at the end of last year. Him and Tolu had the biggest upswings at the end of the year.
Tolu is basically a got to keep. If we lose him, next year is a throw away imo. Obviously that could change quickly, but I've saw nothing so far to suggest thatQuote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
Goodness. Lost all but 3 players. And there's still 5 more days to enter the portal. Have to pick up at least 5 guys from the portal.
Same here! I hate to see him go! Does anybody know why he is leaving?Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
Tolu & Murphy and who else is left?
Matthews. Then 2 HS signees + 2 transfers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
All of them would include Tolu and Murphy. So that sounds dumb to me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
Any chance there's some reconsiderations among the portal guys?
With his defensive prowess I thought he would fit in well with the scheme of Jans. Interesting.
Next year might be more of a rebuild than we wanted but it'll all work out I hope
Not a good sign to me. Garcia is exactly the type player seems like would fit Jans.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I don't understand this but I'm hoping he has a great plan in the portal to build a competitive team next year not a program (his words not mine).
Tolu is a must keep somehow.
Iowa State completely rebuilt their roster and made the sweet 16. That's what we have to do. I hope Jans has the recruiting connections to get it done.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Gotta wonder with everyone leaving if that affects tolu's decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Yeah can look at it 2 ways. Tolu could be "the man" as last one standing to build the team around or he could be like I ain't going down with the ship. Funny thing is, if he leaves he has to still break in a new coach and team. At least at MSU he has already won over the fan base and knows his way around things. He needs to stay for his own good too. It also would be his second transfer.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I don't know? Maybe if they don't get the landing site they are looking for, but I wish Garcia, Moore, Applewhite , and Carter would reconsider and Iverson would come back (but that ain't happening).Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think the only reason Tolu would consider entering the portal would be if he read ED and saw some of the posts on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
NCAA needs to mandate only 1 free transfer per player, per career. Use it wisely.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I agree. No exceptionsQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Nah, we can build a good team around Tolu, but better start landing some guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
Well...this is what we seem to do....start all over at ground zero. Did it in football and now looks like basketball is following suit. Be careful what you wish for.....especially if you're a MSU fan.
You realize it's going to be like that from now on right? NCAA let's kids leave when the coach does.Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
Been saying it since last week but Jans has to get some players in ASAP.. I understand losing a couple players but he pretty much lost the entire team and the portal is dwindling down. Alot of these guys who have left lately have been around him working out the last couple of weeks.... maybe the players see something we don't. I personally wasn't impressed with his press conference, his personality just wasn't there for me like Howland or even new WBB coach Sam Purcell... but I'm still rooting for him
Damn, at this pace we might not make the dance like we usually do.**
Msstate7 will condemn you to h31! for saying that............Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
I always laugh when someone is worried that the new guy may not get us to the dance when we weren't going under any of the old ones either. It may take a few years to see what he can do, but our tourney ticket budget wasn't being used anyway lol
Damn!! I hate losing Garcia, but I hate the NCAA and portal even more now!
We can certainly be worse than we have been lately. Unless things go our way soon, we'll figure it outQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
We got a good coach so that's the most important thing. I suspect we will see good things happen in year two.
I logged in to post the same thing!Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Its a bonus he can coach and I have faith that he can but he has be able to recruit SEC guys too though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Why wouldn't every player enter the portal and see what their free market rate is?
I thought Garcia would bring the intensity that would be a perfect match for Jans. That being said, the analytics show him as an almost identical player/ shooter to Cameron Matthews. They both struggle shooting from the outside and from the free throw line, but bring defense/rebounding. I don't think you can really play both of them at the same time because you become way too easy to guard.
We need effort along with coaching. Remember Jans beat Howland a while back.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
Howlands teams never showed a lack of effort, but his coaching had become outdated and slow. Jans seems like he can really coach but you have to be able to recruit in the SEC as well.. I know Jans beat Howland, he beat some other good teams too but when your playing Tennessee, UK, Arky, Auburn, Florida, Big 12 challenge etc week in and week out you have to have SEC talent... he may bring that in, just haven't seen it yet and it looks like most of last year's team is gone so he needs to get on itQuote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
This is technically what led to Frank Martin getting fired. He is a great coach from a coaching perspective, but he can?t recruit at all. I will say though this philosophy has a better chance at making a deep tournament run if you can keep the team together for a few years and develop the talent, but that?s extremely hard to do now with the portal. If I had to pick I would rather have a bad recruiter and great coach than the opposite. I think though as long as Jans can recruit at least middle tier of the SEC we will finish in the top most years.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
Good points and I agree with alot of that but I'm taking the talent. If a good coach has average talent there is only so much good coaching can do with limited talent, you have to have the players to be successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
Well hate to lose Garcia, he was our candidate for the 6th man award.
Iverson hires an agent so that ship officially has sailed.
At this stage what we desperately could use is a franchise tag. Beyond that magically occurring, things are not looking too good.