Matt's Latest Better Than Average: Second Scrimmage

Everybody clutching pearls after the second scrimmage please go and listen to Episode 5 of BTA. Matt breaks down a lot from the second scrimmage. He was there. We are doing a lot of situational football. The defense was dropping off into zone coverage more. Arnett has been throwing a lot of disguised blitzes against the 1st team OL. They're picking a lot of them up. Matt had a lot of good things to say about the 1st team OL and Will's decision making. There's plenty more he said but do yourself a favor and listen to it.

If I heard a media personality say "we suck this year" I'd pay whatever subscription they were asking for. It doesn't happen in any fanbase, everyone is always "showing promise", every bad position group is "very improved over last year", etc.

Arnett thew Blitzes at them, and dropped into zone? Wow! That excuses a bad offensive performance, it's not like SEC teams will throw creative blitzes of their own at us, or drop into zone.

The offense may be fine, but no I don't believe a media guy who makes a living largely by info he gets because he's tight with the administration.

Will completed less than 50% of his passes and thew a pic, vs a defense he knew couldn't touch him. I'll believe he's a really good decision maker when I see it in SEC play this year

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

If I heard a media personality say "we suck this year" I'd pay whatever subscription they were asking for. It doesn't happen in any fanbase, everyone is always "showing promise", every bad position group is "very improved over last year", etc.

Arnett thew Blitzes at them, and dropped into zone? Wow! That excuses a bad offensive performance, it's not like SEC teams will throw creative blitzes of their own at us, or drop into zone.

The offense may be fine, but no I don't believe a media guy who makes a living largely by info he gets because he's tight with the administration.

Will completed less than 50% of his passes and thew a pic, vs a defense he knew couldn't touch him. I'll believe he's a really good decision maker when I see it in SEC play this year

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It may be true that Matt errs to the sunshine side, but it's just as misleading to paint a scrimmage as an indication of a comprehensive offensive performance. Scrimmage offensive stats are never great. Will might know the defense can't touch him, but at the same time the defense knows what's coming when different situations are being repped multiple times consecutively.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

If I heard a media personality say "we suck this year" I'd pay whatever subscription they were asking for. It doesn't happen in any fanbase, everyone is always "showing promise", every bad position group is "very improved over last year", etc.

Arnett thew Blitzes at them, and dropped into zone? Wow! That excuses a bad offensive performance, it's not like SEC teams will throw creative blitzes of their own at us, or drop into zone.

The offense may be fine, but no I don't believe a media guy who makes a living largely by info he gets because he's tight with the administration.

Will completed less than 50% of his passes and thew a pic, vs a defense he knew couldn't touch him. I'll believe he's a really good decision maker when I see it in SEC play this year

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Dude, switch to decaf or take a ****ing Xanax. Jesus.

Yeah, I'm sure Matt spends all his ****ing time thinking of ways blow smoke up his listeners' asses.

If you'd listen to Matt break down those stats for thirty minutes - cause his ass was there - maybe you'd actually understand those scrimmage stats are deceiving.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

If I heard a media personality say "we suck this year" I'd pay whatever subscription they were asking for. It doesn't happen in any fanbase, everyone is always "showing promise", every bad position group is "very improved over last year", etc.

Arnett thew Blitzes at them, and dropped into zone? Wow! That excuses a bad offensive performance, it's not like SEC teams will throw creative blitzes of their own at us, or drop into zone.

The offense may be fine, but no I don't believe a media guy who makes a living largely by info he gets because he's tight with the administration.

Will completed less than 50% of his passes and thew a pic, vs a defense he knew couldn't touch him. I'll believe he's a really good decision maker when I see it in SEC play this year

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Yep I'm with you. This is just like a spring game in a way but we looked like crap there too. At some point, you practice how you play. Are we just gonna figure it out the day before a game?

Yep PR stuff gotta give people hope to keep buying. We'll know by end of Sept where we are.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

If I heard a media personality say "we suck this year" I'd pay whatever subscription they were asking for. It doesn't happen in any fanbase, everyone is always "showing promise", every bad position group is "very improved over last year", etc.

Arnett thew Blitzes at them, and dropped into zone? Wow! That excuses a bad offensive performance, it's not like SEC teams will throw creative blitzes of their own at us, or drop into zone.

The offense may be fine, but no I don't believe a media guy who makes a living largely by info he gets because he's tight with the administration.

Will completed less than 50% of his passes and thew a pic, vs a defense he knew couldn't touch him. I'll believe he's a really good decision maker when I see it in SEC play this year

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Only at MSU would you see fans wanting our media to report that we suck. And we wonder why we can?t recruit for football or win a PR battle?

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

If I heard a media personality say "we suck this year" I'd pay whatever subscription they were asking for. It doesn't happen in any fanbase, everyone is always "showing promise", every bad position group is "very improved over last year", etc.

Arnett thew Blitzes at them, and dropped into zone? Wow! That excuses a bad offensive performance, it's not like SEC teams will throw creative blitzes of their own at us, or drop into zone.

The offense may be fine, but no I don't believe a media guy who makes a living largely by info he gets because he's tight with the administration.

Will completed less than 50% of his passes and thew a pic, vs a defense he knew couldn't touch him. I'll believe he's a really good decision maker when I see it in SEC play this year

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I hope your family gets you a clarion ledger subscription for Christmas - you will love it!

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Only at MSU would you see fans wanting our media to report that we suck. And we wonder why we can?t recruit for football or win a PR battle?

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I don't think that was the point.

We do get glowing reports year-in, year-out. Moorhead was gonna kill it off practice reports.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I don't think that was the point.

We do get glowing reports year-in, year-out. Moorhead was gonna kill it off practice reports.

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I would wager the vast majority of "inside" guys even here were fooled by Moorhead's smoke and mirrors. Just about every pundit out there praising the hire didn't help with the trimming of the wool, either, lol. Plenty of people were snookered by that mook. I know I certainly was. It's not a sign of weakness admitting that, fyi....

I will say that I like Matt's commentary, mainly because he's actually a football guy, and can add analytical rigor to his discussion that others flatly can't. I certainly don't feel lied to by him. Others on our beat, not so much...

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I don't think that was the point.

We do get glowing reports year-in, year-out. Moorhead was gonna kill it off practice reports.

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I really don't understand what y'all are expecting. Hopefully we win 6 games this year and build towards next year. I mean, we only won 4 games last year and the majority of our better players are in their second year. All you people expecting to win 10 every year are just fools. MSU will never be that program. I'm hoping for another Mullen type run with Leach except winning a few more games that we're not supposed to. And by the way, just because my expectations are not as high as yours, doesn't make me a bad fan, I'm just a realist.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I don't think that was the point.

We do get glowing reports year-in, year-out. Moorhead was gonna kill it off practice reports.

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Not from Wyatt

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Originally Posted by RezDog7

I really don't understand what y'all are expecting. Hopefully we win 6 games this year and build towards next year. I mean, we only won 4 games last year and the majority of our better players are in their second year. All you people expecting to win 10 every year are just fools. MSU will never be that program. I'm hoping for another Mullen type run with Leach except winning a few more games that we're not supposed to. And by the way, just because my expectations are not as high as yours, doesn't make me a bad fan, I'm just a realist.

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You have to remember that some of the youngins on here never lived through the 2-9, 3-8, 1-10 years of MSU football. They have witnessed 11 straight bowl seasons, albeit 2 with losing records and one with a 6-6. But I digress. Anything less than whatever Ole Miss expected to do is unsatisfactory even though there has really only been 1 season in the past 30 where both programs have been really good at the same time. Historically, if they are up, we are average to mediocre. If they are down, we are average to pretty good. This will likely be their year, yet State may very well beat them with one of their best teams just like they beat us with one of our best. All that said, I ?expect? State to go 15-0.

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Originally Posted by RezDog7

I really don't understand what y'all are expecting. Hopefully we win 6 games this year and build towards next year. I mean, we only won 4 games last year and the majority of our better players are in their second year. All you people expecting to win 10 every year are just fools. MSU will never be that program. I'm hoping for another Mullen type run with Leach except winning a few more games that we're not supposed to. And by the way, just because my expectations are not as high as yours, doesn't make me a bad fan, I'm just a realist.

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Where do you get I have high expectations? I'll take 7 wins right now

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

I will say that I like Matt's commentary, mainly because he's actually a football guy, and can add analytical rigor to his discussion that others flatly can't. I certainly don't feel lied to by him. Others on our beat, not so much...

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^^^ this and I'll add that I usually see more wool here on this board than I do with Matt

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

You have to remember that some of the youngins on here never lived through the 2-9, 3-8, 1-10 years of MSU football. They have witnessed 11 straight bowl seasons, albeit 2 with losing records and one with a 6-6. But I digress. Anything less than whatever Ole Miss expected to do is unsatisfactory even though there has really only been 1 season in the past 30 where both programs have been really good at the same time. Historically, if they are up, we are average to mediocre. If they are down, we are average to pretty good. This will likely be their year, yet State may very well beat them with one of their best teams just like they beat us with one of our best. All that said, I ?expect? State to go 15-0.

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15-0 or bust! Let's go!

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Originally Posted by RezDog7

I really don't understand what y'all are expecting. Hopefully we win 6 games this year and build towards next year. I mean, we only won 4 games last year and the majority of our better players are in their second year. All you people expecting to win 10 every year are just fools. MSU will never be that program. I'm hoping for another Mullen type run with Leach except winning a few more games that we're not supposed to. And by the way, just because my expectations are not as high as yours, doesn't make me a bad fan, I'm just a realist.

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Ain't no way in hell we win 10 games and I'm a sunshine pumper. We win 7 with a shot at 8 if things coalesce toward the end of the season. But this we're gonna be god awful on offense BS has got to stop.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Ain't no way in hell we win 10 games and I'm a sunshine pumper. We win 7 with a shot at 8 if things coalesce toward the end of the season. But this we're gonna be god awful on offense BS has got to stop.

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Winning 10 games means that one QB is a Gardner Minshew clone and our defense is wrecking people. I think Will might be a good QB but I would be surprised if he is in the Heisman running even his senior year.

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Originally Posted by thf24

It may be true that Matt errs to the sunshine side, but it's just as misleading to paint a scrimmage as an indication of a comprehensive offensive performance. Scrimmage offensive stats are never great. Will might know the defense can't touch him, but at the same time the defense knows what's coming when different situations are being repped multiple times consecutively.

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Is this that different than the way it will be in the season? Unless we are literally calling out the plays for the defense to hear, they are going to be in the same situation as most defenses we play; they will be able to guess out of a few plays we might run, and we just have to execute to beat them, just like a triple option team.

What would make us happy?

Do we actually want our media to come out and say we are going to suck? Would anyone actually read that? Would that automatically turn our tone around and everyone of us just fight to say " nah man, we are going to be great."

Or are we all looking for media people to say "hey our offense is still going to suck, but, at least our D is going to be fun to watch." Like what do you actually expect from media personality folks?

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Is this that different than the way it will be in the season? Unless we are literally calling out the plays for the defense to hear, they are going to be in the same situation as most defenses we play; they will be able to guess out of a few plays we might run, and we just have to execute to beat them, just like a triple option team.

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Our defense has been practicing against our offense every day for over two weeks and have watched film daily of themselves going against our offense. Our opponents will have watched other players play against it on film and practiced against their scout team running our looks.

Those two things are very very different.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

I would wager the vast majority of "inside" guys even here were fooled by Moorhead's smoke and mirrors. Just about every pundit out there praising the hire didn't help with the trimming of the wool, either, lol. Plenty of people were snookered by that mook. I know I certainly was. It's not a sign of weakness admitting that, fyi....

I will say that I like Matt's commentary, mainly because he's actually a football guy, and can add analytical rigor to his discussion that others flatly can't. I certainly don't feel lied to by him. Others on our beat, not so much...

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Matt is the best for folks like me who never played or coached IMO. love how he stops the tape and explains positioning, mistakes, and how other team took advantage and made a play. I will miss him if he gets a national gig but would be happy for him. I gotta feeling he will get one.

Matt Wyatt needs to be on SEC Nation. The fact that he isn't is an indication more on ESPN than MWyatt.

Agree, Buckethead. But I hope he hangs around and keeps is radio show and color commentary.

To add to Matt’s episode, take a listen to Rosebowl on Bo Bounds show this morning. “For all the talk about how bad our offense is Will Rogers had 4 drives and 3 of them ended in touchdowns” (if this sounds familiar to you guys it should). He went on to talk about how people on message boards with sources basically have none and he’s pretty much correct. Both Matt and Rose were at the scrimmage but someone with 3rd hand info said we sucked and Will scored from the 20 yard line twice so it must be true. Nevermind the other 2 actually saw the scrimmage with their own eyes.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

To add to Matt’s episode, take a listen to Rosebowl on Bo Bounds show this morning. “For all the talk about how bad our offense is Will Rogers had 4 drives and 3 of them ended in touchdowns” (if this sounds familiar to you guys it should). He went on to talk about how people on message boards with sources basically have none and he’s pretty much correct. Both Matt and Rose were at the scrimmage but someone with 3rd hand info said we sucked and Will scored from the 20 yard line twice so it must be true. Nevermind the other 2 actually saw the scrimmage with their own eyes.

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Hell, I didn't even post the breakdown Matt had of the 1st team OL vs 1st team D. Heads would have exploded and dogs would have been kicked b/c it's supposed all gloom and doom. We can't have an actual football guy breakdown stats and positions from a scrimmage he witnessed and give us an honest opinion that's positive.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Matt Wyatt needs to be on SEC Nation. The fact that he isn't is an indication more on ESPN than MWyatt.

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Really amusing why he's not. Ole Miss 17 still must still be running the show. SEC still pissed about us "Croomin" coaches?

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Matt Wyatt needs to be on SEC Nation. The fact that he isn't is an indication more on ESPN than MWyatt.

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Why would he when he practically works for himself from home. No amount of money or fame can replace that when you have a family. He literally gets off his show early if he has to pick up his little girl. That's awesome.

I tell you what I want. I want our media to sing our praises and that?s it. Nothing negative. Constant sunshine pumping. When we win? It?s expected. When we lose drive home the excuses. Why? Because perception is reality. Look at Ole Miss. They have sucked for about 6 years but their media has been relentless with their image building. Because of this their fans buy in, the National media buys in, and recruits buy in. Eventually this leads to that perception becoming a reality. This is the actual way (outside of winning an NC) that a program takes the next step. No amount of 6 or 7 win seasons will have the same impact unfortunately. Everyone has to pull the same direction.

Some of you will find this distasteful. Some would prefer an unbiased take from our media. You would rather us lose your way than win a different way. Keep that in mind when complaining about head coaches that do the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Some of you will find this distasteful. Some would prefer an unbiased take from our media. You would rather us lose your way than win a different way. Keep that in mind when complaining about head coaches that do the same thing.

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Some people, especially fans of a historically mostly mediocre to bad program such as ours, just want to be miserable. Instead of getting excited and looking for positive outlooks, risking getting crushed when the emotional investment doesn't come to fruition, they'd rather hedge their expectations in the gutter. If their predictions play out, they have the gratification of being "right" among their peers, and if they're wrong, they still get to be pleasantly surprised and share in the celebration.

Positive sunshine with no Baghdad Bobs.