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Gonna lose Bryson Hurst to OM on Wed.
At one point we led for Williams, Harris, and Dorsch, and won?t likely get any.
MSU has always gotten its share of instate players, but we?re getting destroyed currently.
A lifeless recruiting department that doesn?t get enough funding or staff. Pretty embarrassing what?s going on.
I don't follow recruiting this time of the year, but that's rough if true. I will say that at a place like MSU, the head coach has to really care and prioritize recruiting for us to have much success. And that's not Leach.
We could pour a million into more staff and it wouldn't make one ounce of difference. And CML doesn't want anymore anyway says he has more than he's ever had so there's that. We gonna be a 25-35 team. Is what it is. That's our "budget"Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Mullen likes recruiting and works at it way more than leach. All trueQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Yes, thanks for the preemptive post b/c you know the Mullen posts were coming. Mullen said a million times that recruiting is like shaving, miss one day and you look like a bum. Leach probably talks to recruits 1 day a week at the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
They flipped Clayton as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Dan's problem had more to do with roster management. Which Leach appears to be much better at that than Dan. Give me a Leach ranked 27th class over a Dan class ranked 27th because the Dan class likely had no receivers over 6'0 tall and 2 OL in it.
MSU's problem is we don't prioritize football recruiting enough. At a recruiting department level OR at a booster level. We're way too scared about getting nailed by the NCAA- and with Bracky that's not surprising why they would feel that way.
Add in MSU winning a National Championship in baseball causing Ole Miss boosters to flip out and this is not surprising at all.
Basically because we refused to not tell the guy the truth. So he's going to go to Ole Miss and play OL anyway. Which is another issue we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLostDawg
Do yourself a favor. Stop following recruiting. It took me into my 40's to do this b/c I loved the idea of getting top 10 recruiting classes. My stress level has decreased. It's pathetic. We don't have enough alumni who CARE($) enough to do anything about it. It's frustrating. No doubt about it. I hope we can surprise and win a lot of games, that will help, but seriously, just don't follow recruiting as much as you have and just catch up at the end. it's better that way.
Pretty soon, if we don't start getting 4stars, we're not going to be competing with Ole Miss for players. We'll be competing for players that are considering smaller schools.
The is normally where I'd complain that OM is paying players, but, honestly, it feels like they're going uncontested for players in state. Like we're not even trying
If we're leading for a player and then we suddenly lose them- that's not a coaching issue. Because our coaches did their job in the first place selling the player on MSU for us to lead in the first place. Then it comes down to money at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Id like to hire some more analyst for recruiting but losing these guys aren't the coaching staff's fault. They've been calling and trying to get them in. I have a feeling after we surprise some folks this year things may change for the better. But we will never be a top 10 recruiter unless we play the game all the way like some schools do.
Shotgun, you do this EVERY YEAR!
We get what we pay for in recruiting. Lowest recruiting budget in Power 5. Thanks LT, I mean Cohen.
Explain why this is a Cohen issue? Our revenue is shit. We are a small school with a low giving donor base compared to the teams we compete against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
Give more money = spend more money.
This is easy math, but for a long long time a large portion of our fan base refuse to understand that we just don't have nearly as many people as other programs that are willing to consistently give enough money to make a difference. Sure we have folks that will step up to the plate for a capital campaign.
But our base doesn't give enough consistently year over year. Last I checked we had like 12,000 in the Bulldog Club. Not enough. And I hang around the middle of the pack and don't give a lot, but I'm working towards giving more. We need a lot more donors giving a lot more money. That's how you change a program.
Has anyone ever asked you to give money to build up the recruiting department?Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
You'd think we run targeted fund raising campaigns but nope, I guess fans are supposed to have an intuition about what we need budget wise.
I bet if the AD asked for money to improve this area, he get plenty of money.
How many coaches on the staff have a history in Mississippi? Tony Hughes and who else?
I'm not sure that matters anymore with all the recruiting sites. The landscape of recruiting has shifted away from local coaches having much advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
Stone Blanton has been basically a lock for 3 months and we can't even get him to commit, even if to just get some momentum.
If I didn't know better, I'd think out school has completely de-emphasized football. It seriously appears as though we aren't trying.
I don't think leach thinks he needs top talent to run his offense. This may or may not be true, but we won't stop anyone if we load up our defense with a buncha 84-86 rated guysQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
My biggest frustration is that MSU has a culture of lacking a commitment to excellence in football. There is a 100% commitment to mediocrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
While I like to make fun of OM as well, it?s undeniable that they have a larger commitment to football than us. They have bad ROI, but they try really hard. When you look at our football facility needs and recruiting budget needs, and then realize that no one at MSU is asking for the money to build these things, it?s becomes difficult to then make a case that we?re trying to win in this sport.
More talent is better regardless of the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
However, I think Leach is not going to play the "game" against Ole Miss to land in-state guys. Leach is going to go out of state more than any coach we have ever had, and would rather take an out of state kid with no drama instead of playing the game vs. OM.
Didn't you say that Robertson is the best QB we have ever signed?! Embarrassing...Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I used to follow recruiting closely, but I'm starting to care less and less these days, which is sad because the more talent you have, the better you are, but our "network" is so far behind the others in the SEC that we really don't stand much of a chance. We're not willing to do what it takes. It's just the way it is. So we'll continue to recruit around 30, and we'll average 6-7 wins a year and be happy with it I guess.
Not that this isn't true, but what you see reported isn't what is influencing recruiting. We'd be better off with less revenue on the books if that meant more boosters with money they're willing to send to kids or pay for NIL deals.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Signing day is when? Checks calendar....mid December and early Feb.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
The book is not written on this class, and verbal commits often change with the weather. Quit freakin' out.
Well I would assume that you did not get the memo. MSU is not suppose to have a good football team, they are to provide wins for the big boys. State must be satisficed with having a good baseball team and know their place. The big boys have to win so that their fans won't feel like they had their dicks cut off.
Small sample size, but two of Mullen's worst classes rankings-wise were his first two full cycles. It seems logical to me that those would be the toughest years for any coach, particularly one who's not a natural recruiter - honeymoon during which most of the work on the class was done by the predecessor is over, but you're still working to build local and regional relationships.
The SEC is obviously a different beast with a learning curve when it comes to recruiting, but I still don't see any reason to doubt that Leach, once acclimated, will recruit at about the same level his program does historically, just like he did at his previous two stops.
Leach talks to croots once a week? Are you sure? All I know is that if it was played by the rules, STATE would dominate In-State for many reasons. We just don't wanna show money like others it appears. UhGAIN.
dominate if it was played by the rules? Oh boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
Rebel Flag-Plantation VS People's University. No Brainer.
We have to continue to fill our needs with JUCOs. If we sign 6-8 top Jucos we will be fine. Look at the Jucos we have now playing and also the ones that are now in the NFL. The transfer Portal is another way to compete. so really the recruitment of High school players is not as make or break as it used to be. Plus , when you recruit a HS player about half the hot shots are bust. JUCOs and transfers are a more sure thing, at worst most provide depth.
Been that way since recruiting rankings began.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Maybe get the specifics on Ole Miss crootin then double down?
We have 8 in state players committed to their 5. What in state guy committed to them do you look at as a big miss other than Harris?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
We can win without instate talent. They are mostly overratedQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Nope. That first statement is completely false.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
Fletcher CoxQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
Chris Jones
Jeffrey Simmons
B-Mac
Elgston Jenkins
Most of our top NFL guys are from Mississippi
damn, bad take my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
now that the free, one time transfer is in place, and freshman eligibility rules are much easier than in Jackie's day, Juco pickings are going to be slim. You will only be able to find really poor students and the extremely late bloomer. Take this recent juco class we signed, potentially no contributors from those signees.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
But yeah, we have to hit the transfer portal extremely hard. We need to direct a lot of resources there as far as evaluating, recruiting, and closing the deal.