Will most of you phone in the season?
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Will most of you phone in the season?
Ain't happeningQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
I'm sure Abraham will get his shot to win the job when he comes back from his concussion. Although I think the delay will kill Abraham's chances to win the job to open the season.
But to answer the question- no. I as a fan would give Chance an opportunity to prove himself if he wins the job.
Our fans get hung up on things that don't matter sometimes. Like "This guy was a walk-on so he must not be any good".
Didn't realize we had so many Will Rogers fans instead of MSU fans.
Some things never change - Death. Taxes. MSU fans fascination with QB2.
You didn't see that fascination when we had dak. Like all fanbases that have an average QB, we dream on someone betterQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Some of y'all are bored.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
That's not fair. This is QB3 we're talking about here.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
If any of you don?t know Chance Lovertich, you will be impressed with him as a player. The kid has the ability to run this offense. He?s smart, he?s ultra competitive, he can make the reads and the passes, and he does have D1 experience. Downside?..he?s not as tall as we would prefer our QBs to be. I think we will be fine with our top 3, bc all of them have the ability to get it done.
First off, not going to be an issue as long as Rogers stays healthy.
That said, when you consider that Leach's best QB in recent years was an East Carolina transfer with very pedestrian numbers before he got to Wazzu (not to mention a Mississippi kid that State and Ole Miss didn't want), it does seems short sighted to assume that Lovertich wouldn't be any good by default. Maybe he wouldn't, maybe he would, I don't know. But Leach does have a track record of having success with lesser known QBs.
Dak is our only QB in recent memory to not have fans clamoring for the backup, but he was a generational talent for us. I think Fitgerald probably got treated the most unfairly, yes he was limited as a passer but a sizable portion of the fanbase spent three years complaining about him all while he won a bunch of games for us and was one of the more productive QB's in our history.
Chance Lovertich is a good QB who lacks height, which kind of resembles Minshew's problem with getting looks. Lovertich is a gamer and if my memory serves me correctly. His first loss as a starting qb including highschool wasnt until he arrived at Southern Alabama.
Let's be honest here. Will is just holding down the job until Sawyer gets up to speed and comfortable. As soon as that happens -- could be mid-season or could be next year -- then we'll see this offense throw the ball downfield and have more explosive plays.
I'm not super familiar with Mike Leach's offense outside of Gardner's year as Washington State and I remember bits and pieces of his year at Tech with Crabtree. The thing I noticed though when watching Washington State was that they didn't throw it down the field a whole lot. I believe his scheme is primarily little dunk passes. If someone with more knowledge could respond that would be nice.
Here's last 4 years of his offense yds/att by leading passer...Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
2020: 5.7 (100th of 100)
2019: 8.8 (27th of 98)
2018: 7.2 (67th of 100)
2017: 6.7 (82nd of 100)
So last year was a couple of yards below average, should we expect it to be much higher than 7 most years?
Not to be a prick about this, but, it is South Alabama, not Southern Alabama.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
What is absolutely crazy about last year's stats is that we are started with 623 yards on 60 attempts against LSU last year. That is how bad the offense was the rest of the season, except Mizzou.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If he has the talent, he will go down field. He does dink and dunk a lot, but that's because those take the place of the run game, not because he doesn't go deep.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
Looking at his Texas Tech and WSU stats - most years were in the 7 range with some in the 6s and very few in the 8s.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
And Leach's next QB was Anthony Gordon, an unranked Juco QB who passed for 5,579 yards in his second season (5 total passes his first season when Minshew was starting). Gordon really was unranked as a recruit, not even a 2-star, and apparently WSU/Leach was his only offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Falcon
https://247sports.com/Player/Anthony...ollege-197381/
Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Although that game didn't affect rogers' stats
Oh - missed that part, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Chance isn't beating out Will.
I don?t care who the QB is. Just win
Some of you guys seem to forget that Rogers was a true freshman last year. And working with a brand new offense with the entire team. Without a spring camp or summer workouts. I have my doubts about our scheme but there is no doubt that kid has ability to be special. I would love for somebody to name a better quarterback for Mississippi State as a true freshman running a totally new scheme. Heck he took the job from a supposed "gunslinger" in the pac 10.
The most ACCURATE will win the job. This offense requires strong athletic receivers and running backs who can break that solo tackle and make plays in space. Doesn?t matter if the ball is thrown 3 yards behind scrimmage line or 10 yards down field, ML wants escape artists catching a well thrown ball leading the receivers into open range. If Rogers is not accurate he will not be the starter is another guy is more accurate. If he is accurate, he should be the starter.
Madkin in 1998 was basically equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Madkin passer rating: 122.1
Rogers passer rating: 123.5
Did Madkin have to miss summer workouts and spring training? And take over an offense that was completely figured out by opposing DCs? Who had the better Oline. If you are gonna make an argument you got to do better 7. I expect better out of you lolQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Madkin led us to Atlanta as a true freshman. He made some huge plays to beat ark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
I just don't think will is anything more than a place holder till we get a difference maker. Will isn't bad, and he isn't good... just an avg qb. We won't win with an avg QB in this system
It doesn't matter who is our quarterback on day 1. They better be our version of Patrick Mahommes. That is all that matters. Winning football games and looking totally bad ass in every way a QB can while doing it.
I want a buzz around our program. I want our QB to be the obvious Heisman frontrunner from week 1-15. I want him to throw for 6000 yards and run for 1500. I want 100 total touchdowns scored by the QB.
Reasonable, no. But I don't have to be reasonable. I want perfection. I want everyone to be like.....why didn't we get this kid? Why didn't we see this coming?
We could put out there a 300 lb 5'-2" QB, as long as he is a baller that makes the easy plays and the spectacular plays 97% of the time. I don't care. I want a winner.
I dont see how you can make such a bold proclomation with such a small sample size msstate7.
So you are saying that as a junior next year he will be no better than average? As you just compared him to one of the best QBs to ever play here?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
That is correct. So far I haven't seen him as a difference maker. He didn't show it last year, but that wasn't really his fault. Lots of stuff stacked against him. But from what I have seen this spring and now from what I am hearing from the first scrimmage, he is having issues running our offense against our own team. We need a difference maker. Will may not be that guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
He will have an opportunity to serve us all a shit burger here in a few weeks, and I hope he does. But we are avoiding the reality based on the evidence we know. He may not be the answer.
The best QB that never won anything. Doesn't say much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Trevor Lawrence, Tua, Cam Newton, Patrick Mahommes, Johnny Football, Dak, etc.
That is who we should be comparing him to. Every other QB is a bunch of losers that fell short of our ultimate goals.
We need to stop comparing him to our best, and start comparing our players to the best nationwide. Cause that is what it is going to take to compete.
Obviously it's just a guess, and I could be totally wrong. I just see a guy with avg (or below) arm strength and avg (or below) athleticism. This can be overcome by really good, quick decision making and outstanding accuracy. Maybe he has this ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
I wanna see a guy that make a team defend the whole field and make a pass rusher miss.
I will be pretty shocked if he's starting as a junior. If he is, we missed on Sawyer imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
No offense, I love Dak. We never won anything significant with him either with your same thought process
Dak choked in the Bama game big time. Will will never sniff taking us into Bama as #1Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
Until we can put an O-Line that can block better these are going to continue being dreams
Some of you take criticism of will Rogers way too personal.