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Shit everything he has been involved with.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Just guessing that Texas making the Elite 8 in Vic's first year.
I am not a Cohen fan, but I don?t blame him for Vic leaving. He was going to leave for Texas whoever the AD was at the time. It is just like Mullen was leaving no matter what, although it was worse with Mullen because he was willing to go anywhere. At least Vic only left so that he could be back home.
Vic leaving is 100% on CohenQuote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
and what exactly did Cohen do that made Vic leave?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldsleeve Jr.
Vic leaving is 100% on Vic.
If you think Cohen had anything to do with it, I feel bad for you.
Cohen matched everything Texas offered. Vic was not staying.
The real question is what was the relationship between Vic and Cohen, and was Vic happy with his situation and how he was being treated at MSU? Those things I can't answer but I can say that I don't know of any coach much that gets to the point of getting a financial package offer from another school but then stays at his current school because the offer was 'matched'. Usually a coach only gets to the point of listening and accepting an offer from a school if he is ready to move on. Now I don't know if Vic just couldn't turn down a job back in Texas or if he was unhappy with something about his situation at MSU? Likely some combination of both but there does seem to be people who believe there was some personal issue that prompted his leaving but apparently, whatever it is, these folks have had their lives threatened if they share the reason publicly. And I have no idea if somehow Cohen was involved in the matter or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
Vic had been working under Cohen for 4 years and was in the middle of building what was supposedly his dream house and the most expensive home in Oktibbeha County. If he had had a real issue with Cohen, Vic had enough clout that he could have easily sidestepped him - you just don't leave that type of investment unless you have a damn big reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
DING DING DING!Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
The second part of this losing Vic, blaming Cohen, issue is who Cohen chose to replace Vic.
I am just curious with no inside information on WBB, but did Vic give Cohen recommendations for a replacement, or were they close enough professionally to have those type of trusted conversations.
Everyone can blame Cohen for a lot, but this isn't one of them. Vic leaving isn't on Cohen and maybe one day the whole story will come out on that. Most, including myself, have bits and pieces of everything that transpired.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Even if he did give a rec - this hire is was going to be a crap shoot. One thing I agree with in this whole situation is that in basketball (women's in particular) coaching matters. The flip side of that is no matter what people say, players come to a school for a coach, especially at programs that are winning at a high level. And when that coach leaves it takes a tremendous amount of work to keep players who came to play for someone else content. Some coaches can't handle that type of transition. That's why you have the old coaching adage that "don't be the guy who replaces a legend, be the guy who replaces the guy who replaced a legend." Outside of a handful of elite coaches I don't know that our results would have been much different this year regardless of who we hired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
And UT doesn't offer anything in WBB that Vic didn't already have. I don't think it had anything to do with going back home. It isn't like he is living in the same city as his siblings. From what I read, his sister lives in Houston which is still almost 3 hours from Austin.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
He is also a A&M grad which might matter some.
I heard some rumors this weekend that some people wanted Vic to be more "woke" and it rubbed him the wrong way. Not sure if it is true but you don't leave a job when you just finished building your dream house and have the program at a top 5-10 level unless something is wrong.
Most times the rumors of why coaches leave are way more exciting & interesting than why the coach left.
This is not on you, but this is almost certainly made up by people who don't like Cohen's politics. Does it make sense that Cohen is making his coaches be "woke" while also hiring Mike 17'in Leach?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Like I said, just some rumors which could be people just reaching but who knows. If Vic hadn't been one of the highest paid coaches in the country before he went to UT then it would make sense. This was actually the definition of a lateral move for once. There is nothing that UT could offer Vic that he didn't actually have in Starkville unless it really was just being tired of living in MS.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluelightstar
UT has Austin to offer. That?s 100x better than Starkville.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Doesn't want to be part of John Cohen's "woke culture", yet moved to Austin? Yeah, that adds up.***Quote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
John Cohen let go of two coaches in female sports for asking for things. Some reasonable, some not. He doesn't give a shit about female athletics. But he better get his precious baseball program better if we're going all in there. We've got 99 problems but woke ain't one.
First I don't know what is true anymore than anyone on here. Good thought but that may not be true. If Cohen was that way, he tried to woke thing with Moorhead and he was at the point, he had to hire someone who had won. You can afford to be woke in lower tier sports but not football or MSU baseball. Cohen had to produce something in football. Got nothing to do with politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluelightstar
I don't think UT is going to ask Vic to be "woke" if he feels differently. They have pushed back against eliminating the Eyes of Texas. Just because Austin is a liberal town doesn't mean that UT is.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
All that said, it could be just rumors because not much else has made sense.
Also Leach seems to be muzzled as much as possible. He has been very neutral on Twitter which is different than he was prior to coming to Starkville.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Any smart individual, which Leach is, would keep a low profile for a few years after the noose misstep. I'd bet that's all there is to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Vic going to Texas is not baffling in the least. He is not a Miss State alum and while he built our program, he was offered a job by the wealthiest school in the country. Yes, dealing with the boosters and fans is more challenging there, I don?t see any reason why people are confused he left. On top of that, Texas is his home state. It was bad for us he left but if I was coaching somewhere and Miss State offered me a job I would go for the same or possibly less money because it?s home.
Except that's not why he left. Just made it easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
I can understand but it still came out of left field. UT is higher pressure and they pay isn't better. I believe Vic was maybe the 3rd highest paid coach in the country at MSU at the time. We also matched the salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
We were at top 5 program at the time and everyone knows that if Vic wins one of those National Title games then he puts his name on our program they way that few coaches do in college sports.
You don't sink $2 Mil into a house when you are looking to leave if given the chance. Unless UT is buying his house in Starkville then he is probably losing at least $500k if he can even sell it.
Not very much adds up but at this point, we just have to go with it. We now know that we will put 6-10k in the Hump for a winning team. Hopefully the new coach proves almost everyone wrong. Right now it looks like a Moorhead hire which burned the program down and tore up the foundation.
Take Lane Kiffin for example. Saban's word on it was he was not preparing for the title game and instead focusing on his next job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I prefer the rumor. That he was stupping Saban's daughter.
Not that I really care..
But instead of going out and finding a Softball coach he just promotes from within.. an assistant that obviously had zero shot at getting a head job anywhere else
Results
In 9 leagues games , where our record is now 0-9
We have scored
0,1,0,0,0,0,0,7,3
Outstanding..
It's a little baffling how someone who earned the nickname "Intense Bastard" as a coach went on to hire both a football and a basketball coach who struggled/struggles to maintain motivation and discipline.
We should't know what Cohen's politics are (nor Leach or the women's coach or any other university official). Cohen is the Athletic Director, not the "Political Director".Quote:
Originally Posted by bluelightstar
That's a symptom of MSU. Keenum, wouldn't come close to being considered for President at another SEC school. Same with Cohen as AD. We are very incestuous, and that lack of fresh blood isn't a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Yes, I would be willing to bet that conservatism is more popular at MSU and Starkville than it is at UT and Austin. So i don't think he went there so he could be less "woke" (whatever that world actually means).Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
The noose wasn't a misstep on Leach's part, but a misstep on the part of those who interpreted it as racist. The cartoon was a white guy and his wife. Had it been a white guy and a black guy who worked for him it would be a totally different matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
I'm afraid you're right. I don't know that much about the presidents at MSU, but I'd say the last "good" one we had was Dr. Zacharias.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Austin is on its way to being the next blue wave capitol of the country. Transplants from California are moving there literally by the thousands. Also Texas is changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
I don't disagree, but my point remains that the most likely explanation for his tame Twitter usage is that he's simply trying to avoid anything remotely controversial until the dust from that incident is long settled.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg