Will Wade coaching for a sweet 16 trip while we have public recordings of him on FBI wiretaps discussing paying a player. Just incredible.
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Will Wade coaching for a sweet 16 trip while we have public recordings of him on FBI wiretaps discussing paying a player. Just incredible.
That is an amazing concept
That's what happens when the state media and even the state government does whatever it takes to protect the only major in-state school. If we had the same things going on that LSU does, the Clarion Ledger would have a field day.
Touch?, KO
It's just sickening to be honest.....The guy is such a douche.....
I am a patience person and I believe in Karma. I am good to wait for what he has coming.
I get the moral aspect of what Will did. But he?s getting paid and will get paid life changing money for most of us. Despite public ridicule and getting fired from this particular job, we?d probably would have played the same game. I don?t fault Will looking out for Will and his family.
Wow. So there is no such thing as right and wrong? Everything is acceptable as long as it is good for me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tough Dawg
Hope I never do any business with you.
Will is a punk and should be fired for what he did.
Understand completely. Will was hired by LSU to win basketball games. Just like many other coaches. It?s the nature of the beast. He?s not the first nor will he be the last. It?s cut throat from I where I sit. There are a few morals thrown out the window.
His decision are partially representative of the administration and the risks they are willing to take. He?ll be the one to take the fall, but they knew. Part of it.
The refs are aware b/c they completely hosed LSU the last 5 minutes of this game. Just call after call went to Michigan.
I?m not even blaming Will. I think we all know how the game is played. It?s the fact that he still coaches despite being caught and the recording made public
I concur with Jack Lamber. The chickens will come home to roost.
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Originally Posted by R2Dawg
I have pointed this out in previous threads about the hypocrisy - how incredible it is that we can criticize a coach or school that pays a player or players but yet we want to pay players to attend MSU - to get the best talent. Either they are paid by boosters directly or through a coach(es) with booster money. How is that possible? Other posters on this site have said that sports is a dirty business and either you cheat and win or you don't cheat and lose. Make up your mind, if it is OK to cheat, then this guy is a hero, if not, then all cheaters are SCUM! Incredible!
The post is about the NCAA more than anything or about LSUs decision to thumb their nose at any infractions. A coach was caught on tape and was still coaching a team in the tourney. That?s the story.
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Originally Posted by R2Dawg
This is different from blue blood preferential treatment. You'll see the big guys get off easy after holding onto an NCAA-embattled coach, pending official ruling, for longer than they should as long as there's plausible deniability, but when's the last time a school held on for any length of time after they've got a guy dead-to-rights on direct, hard evidence? I'm having trouble thinking of a single other instance.
He is the biggest POS in the league.. which includes Pearl and Calipari..
This will all linger on until it just disappears.
I've never changed my mind on cheating. It is never OK to cheat. Earn it the right way or don't do it. I have never said we have to get the best players to compete. Yes you need talent but there is plenty of talent out there we at MSU have proven that over and over without cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extendedcab
Don't try to confuse my comments with others.
Yeah, the same NCAA that knew about coot for croots and turned a blind eye b/c it would have imploded a football program and the resulting shock waves would have shook college football as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Tecumsah Sherman
Yes that will be the result - See Bruce Pearl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Auburn, Olemiss, etc. but I agree this one is bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Prison is too harsh probably, out of coaching for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by NWADAWG
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Originally Posted by R2Dawg
R2Dawg, sorry for the confusion, I was agreeing with you and adding comment against others that post that MSU should cheat on a major league scale in order to compete in athletics. I am against it as I think ethical behavior and morality counts!
When has an employed representative of either of those been caught on tape explicitly discussing the violations they personally committed, and still kept their job until the official conclusion of the subsequent investigation? Ole Miss dumped Freeze within days (hours?) of the infamous phone call being uncovered; the equivalent to Wade would be if he'd kept his job another two and a half years until the investigation was concluded and punishments were handed down.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
I really think this one might be an unprecedented level of brazenness, at least in any definition of the "modern" era of the NCAA.
Seeing them lose is so comforting. Now if only Arkansas and Alabama will lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Tecumsah Sherman
This is it 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
I agree Wade's may be the worst but Tunsil was caught on live TV saying he got paid. Pretty bad too.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
No problem. Easy to misunderstand on these boards sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extendedcab
Agree. I am ready for Bama to lose. The Bama fans are getting annoying over basketball now. Ready for them to get run out on a rail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
Tunsil's was earth-shattering for sure, but he wasn't a committed representative of the accused party at that point, and he was vague about who exactly paid him, leaving plausible deniability intact for the OM staff and administration in place. That's what really puts Wade/LSU on another level - per known evidence, there is no way to spin that he wasn't personally involved and wasn't aware as a formally employed representative of the institution, investigation ongoing or otherwise, yet he's still there and coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
I don't mean to argue just for the sake of argument, I'm really just curious if there's a single other instance of a school staying the course with a coach in the face of overwhelmingly damning evidence without a shred of plausible deniability remaining.
I thought Tunsil said a coach paid him?Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Auburn is about as bad too. FBI prosecuted a coach so they must have had concrete evidence. With Pearl's history, he should not have survived in my opinion. I agree Wade's may be the worst but people have gotten off with substantial evidence when the NCAA wants that to happen.
While I'll continue to say not as airtight as Wade, Pearl and Auburn was pretty unbelievable to me too in its own way. Mind-blowing that in whatever fall that was a few years ago, the Auburn administration itself announced that Pearl was refusing to cooperate with an internal investigation... and now years have gone by without another word about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
I think its time to just eliminate the rules against extra benefits. All it does is keep schools like us, who the NCAA will actually go after, scared to do anything while Bama and Georgia are paying elite recruits 6 figures to come play for them and will not even get a second look. I mean you have Chubb apparently getting paid 6 figures just to stay an extra year at Georgia while we go on probation for Will Redmond getting a 2,000 dollar discount on a used car. The whole thing is messed up but it would absolutely be a more fair process if you just let it be open market for these guys. At least then everyone could say they had a fair shot, just got outbid. That's basically what's happening now behind the scenes, at least for the elite recruits, but nobody can really say that out loud.
Or the NCAA grow a pair and really enforce the cheating rules on the books evenly across the board. Give the death penalty to the cheaters. Image Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, and others hit with the death penalty. That is one way to get them off of our schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Then I woke up, it will never happen due the the amount of money involved - too many people getting paid and I don't mean only the athletes.
What an unholy mess!
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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot