Vrabel punts on 4th and 2 at the Ravens 40 in the 4th quarter down 4 points. Analytics have it at almost 100% go for it. And the Titans lose the game. I wonder if 20 years later, everyone will laugh at ever punting in a situation like that.
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Vrabel punts on 4th and 2 at the Ravens 40 in the 4th quarter down 4 points. Analytics have it at almost 100% go for it. And the Titans lose the game. I wonder if 20 years later, everyone will laugh at ever punting in a situation like that.
It?s a coaching disease that runs rampant in old school coaches. After the punt, Baltimore had the ball back where TN punted from after 2 plays. It?s beyond stupid
I think that's a dumb punt. I think analytics can get you in trouble too though. Frank Reich is a really big analytic guy. Yesterday, he passed up on a fg late 2nd quarter to go on 4th and goal from the 4. Maybe I go it's 2 yards or less, but 4? No way. He lost game by 3.
You have to remember most coaches are PE majors.
Coming from a baseball perspective on this and speaking in general on analytics...
I think you can go too heavy in one direction or the other. I think analytics and "traditional" thought are best used together to make a most informed decision.
The funny thing about analytics in baseball is I think it has gotten so shifted in another direction of thought that the results are probably coming out in the wash.
I think where there is a disconnect with most fans that I see between the two is you have a stat where something should be done "in general" but I think a coach has to know his personnel and what they are capable of on an individual/group level to make that most informed decision.
Now I will say this- if that were my team I would want the coach to go for it. So I'm not saying that the right decision was made here but I think fans need to keep in mind that it's not always as easy as looking at a book from Bill James and doing what the book says.
It's different at the NFL level. Those guys are typically pretty bright CEO types. You can't be Bobby Hall and run a NFL or even a D-1 college team. And these coaches have to answer to the media about their decisions and most teams have analytical staffs so they're aware of what the stats say to do in most instances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
This is false. It's hard as hell to get a PE job because there are only a couple of people per school that teach PE. Most coaches today majored in a major subjectQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
Mike Vrabel has a degree in Exercise Science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
And it just happened again in the Steelers game. 4th and 2 down by 2 scores and Tomlin decides to punt. Browns then score. These coaches are so scared to lose that they can't win.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I turned the game off when the punter came onto the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
Belicheck - has a degree in economicsQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
Saban has a business degree
Leach has a law degree
Urban Meyer has a psychology degree
Mike Tomlin has a Sociology degree
Dabo Sweeney has a Business Admin degree
Ryan Day Business Admin
Brian Kelly- Political Science
Mike McCarthy- Business Admin
Ron Rivera- Criminal Justice
Sean McDermott- Finance
I could keep going but no need
Just curious, but I would love to know their ACT score and GPA (that's not sarcasm, I really would like to know). And they are coaching guys who struggle on the Wonderlic. Coaches have a gazillion things to think about in a short amount of time. If they decide something just 5 seconds too late, it could lead to a delay of game penalty or using a timeout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
From working around high school coaches, I'm always surprised how stubborn they are, unwilling to embrace new ideas.
And the analytics are based on human decision, so that already tells you it should not be black and white.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I suspect most of your DI head coaches are well above average intellects. There may be a few that are good managers without being particularly bright themselves, but I suspect they are a small minority. If you are a coordinator and not smart enough to get x's and o's and make quick decisions, it's going to be hard to get to a head coach position. Maybe a few that also rise to where they are through recruiting (where too much intelligence could actually be a drawback b/c it makes it harder to relate to high school students in general), but I doubt they last long if they aren't also reasonable smart so that they can manage a program (cough, Pruitt, cough).Quote:
Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
How about Jeremy Pruitt? Vegetable Science maybe? **Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I suspect that just about all, maybe all, higher level coaches are pretty sharp.Quote:
Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
I would say the same thing, Pruitt aside.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
Coaches do stupid shit like trying to cover Davonta Smith deep with a MLB...
They work 100 hours a week and end up with #32 on the Heisman winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
I heard an analyst talking about that very play. I think it was Matt Wyatt, not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
They never intended for a MLB to be covering Smith. The point was that the combination of Sark's scheme (presnap-motions) along with Smith's speed/quick direction changes kept them so off balance that they just were over matched once the play began.
Ohio State was trying to give help over the top and that left so many other things wide open underneath. That plan worked great vs Clemson but not Bama. It was an impressive scene.
Ohio State had no idea where he was going to line up play after play. Sark did a great job of moving him around along with adding motion to the mix. There are times the D just has to line-up and play ball- and there is nothing they can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
It?s clearly been an offensive game for 5-10 years. Being a DC has to be tough in gauntlet leagues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Pretty easy to get surprised by a gimmick for one game and not be able to figure out an adjustment during the game, even if it comes to you pretty easy afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
Don't think what Bama was doing is a gimmick as much as it is just a good scheme that is hard to cover combined with OSU feeling like more linebackers got their best players on the field and that resulting in them getting caught in mismatches more than if they had put more DBs out there.
Bump for Lafleur and GB. Congrats on having this coach disease
Arians went for it on fourth and 3 at end of first half and they wound up getting a td which was the difference in the game and then lafleour wussed out on fourth and goal and never saw the ball again. Gotta have big stones to win the big ring, lafleour don't have em right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
Just unreal. The work these coaches and players put into the game and then to muck up the decisions a 12 year old on Madden could make.Quote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
Some of them are too scared to succeed. Honestly, if our coaches try to make an aggressive decision and it doesn't work I try not to be too hard on them personally unless they call a high risk play like Dan on the goal line in 2009 when AD probably would have scored. And had Dan given the ball to AD and gotten stopped I wouldn't have said a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Lefleur thought he was smarter than literally everyone watching the game
He may qualify for MSU AD one day....Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
The head coach made a really stupid decision to not go for it but Rogers not running it in when he had nothing but green grass and the endzone in front of him was equally as dumb.
Yep they both wussed outQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
I could be wrong but it seems like Rodgers is more interested in the TD pass. Sometimes when they get older they start looking at stats. IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
That was bad series. Rodgers missed a wide open guy trying to force it to Devante Adams also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24