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12-02-2020, 09:25 PM
starkvegasdawg

Las Vegas bowl cancelled

Scratch one with an SEC tie in.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/se...wRH1ldPF3UbUx8
12-02-2020, 10:22 PM
ShotgunDawg

We'll be in Birmingham anyway
12-02-2020, 10:26 PM
MetEdDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

We'll be in Birmingham anyway

If the Bham Bowl happens. We had over 3,000 positive cases recorded yesterday in Alabama (we report Covid cases on a 1 day lag). 648 of those in Jefferson County, which is the county the city of Birmingham is in.

I wouldn't be shocked to see them cancel it in the coming weeks if that trend continues.
12-02-2020, 10:48 PM
CaptainObvious

If Dr. Dobbs has his way, there will not be any more games played by Mississippi teams.
12-02-2020, 11:30 PM
Leeshouldveflanked

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

If Dr. Dobbs has his way, there will not be any more games played by Mississippi teams.

We will be doing good to get these last two games in.
12-03-2020, 02:14 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

If Dr. Dobbs has his way, there will not be any more games played by Mississippi teams.

Yeah well unfortunately for him in the SEC it just means more.
12-03-2020, 10:18 AM
Liverpooldawg

If current trends continue all sports will be stopped again. It's the hospital stuff that will be the cause.
12-03-2020, 10:25 AM
dawg1

How about let the kids play with no fans there? College age kids are not the ones filling the hospitals.
12-03-2020, 10:27 AM
Leeshouldveflanked

Flu season looks to light this year.**
12-03-2020, 10:46 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

If Dr. Dobbs has his way, there will not be any more games played by Mississippi teams.

It's mighty rich listening to that jackass criticize other people after his performance. It shouldn't take a pHd to recognize that cold and flu season comes every year, and the only way COVID wasn't still going to be a problem by cold and flu season would be if we already had a lot of cross immunity from other coronaviruses.

Sometimes decisions are hard and it's not fair to criticize them with the benefit of hindsight, but it didn't take hindsight to know that burning so much political capital and public good will working to defer cases until cold and flu season was moronic.
12-03-2020, 11:47 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

It's mighty rich listening to that jackass criticize other people after his performance. It shouldn't take a pHd to recognize that cold and flu season comes every year, and the only way COVID wasn't still going to be a problem by cold and flu season would be if we already had a lot of cross immunity from other coronaviruses.

Sometimes decisions are hard and it's not fair to criticize them with the benefit of hindsight, but it didn't take hindsight to know that burning so much political capital and public good will working to defer cases until cold and flu season was moronic.

That's asinine, especially the comment about "deferring" cases. The guy has been begging and pleading with us to follow the guidelines since the beginning. We basically have ignored him at every turn. The power to actually issue orders does not lie with him. The power to follow him also doesn't rest with him. If you want to know who to blame, it's us.
12-03-2020, 02:15 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

That's asinine, especially the comment about "deferring" cases. The guy has been begging and pleading with us to follow the guidelines since the beginning. We basically have ignored him at every turn. The power to actually issue orders does not lie with him. The power to follow him also doesn't rest with him. If you want to know who to blame, it's us.

We have not ignored him. We don't have pandemics because of moral failings. We have pandemics because sometimes there are novel contagious viruses. We listened and locked down for mostly no purpose after the first two weeks. In hindsight, even the first two weeks were pointless, but we didn't know as much about the virus then. We seriously damaged the finances of our hospitals and more or less accomplished nothing other than ensuring that our powder is not dry when we need it. And it wouldn't have taken any great effort for Dobbs to learn that there was going to be a limit to how much people would adjust their behavior in response to a pandemic. It would have basically required that he have a little bit of curiosity and ask somebody.

Also, it is somewhat fascinating to me that in school, when we learned about flagellants during the black death, it was sort of with the context of "can you believe how ignorant and crazy those people were"? But apparently there is a deep seated human need to believe we could have avoided bad things if we just acted more morally rather than accepting that there are bad things that happen that we can't avoid short of choosing something worse.
12-03-2020, 02:25 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

We have not ignored him. We don't have pandemics because of moral failings. We have pandemics because sometimes there are novel contagious viruses. We listened and locked down for mostly no purpose after the first two weeks. In hindsight, even the first two weeks were pointless, but we didn't know as much about the virus then. We seriously damaged the finances of our hospitals and more or less accomplished nothing other than ensuring that our powder is dry when we need it. And it wouldn't have taken any great effort for Dobbs to learn that there was going to be a limit to how much people would adjust their behavior in response to a pandemic. It would have basically required that he have a little bit of curiosity and ask somebody.

Also, it is somewhat fascinating to me that in school, when we learned about flagellants during the black death, it was sort of with the context of "can you believe how ignorant and crazy those people were"? But apparently there is a deep seated human need to believe we could have avoided bad things if we just acted more morally rather than accepting that there are bad things that happen that we can't avoid short of choosing something worse.

This is what people don't get. This was going to happen. There's no way to fully stop it without a vaccine. The onus can't completely be on healthy people, but some have made it out that way. You have an obligation to take care of yourself. It's always been that way. If you're in a high risk category and choose to go out into large crowds then that tells me that you believe the reward is greater than the risk and you know what could happen. In the words of Ron Swanson, "If you want to eat garbage and balloon up to 600 lbs then that's your right". But you can't turn around and then get mad at others because they didn't protect you. You didn't protect yourself. I have a good friend who is a DIE HARD bulldog, but he's in a high risk category for this stuff. So he's made the sacrifice to not go to any ballgame and basically avoid large crowds whenever possible. He's taking care of himself instead of expecting others to do it and then getting mad when he inevitably would get sick.
12-03-2020, 02:59 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

This is what people don't get. This was going to happen. There's no way to fully stop it without a vaccine. The onus can't completely be on healthy people, but some have made it out that way. You have an obligation to take care of yourself. It's always been that way. If you're in a high risk category and choose to go out into large crowds then that tells me that you believe the reward is greater than the risk and you know what could happen. In the words of Ron Swanson, "If you want to eat garbage and balloon up to 600 lbs then that's your right". But you can't turn around and then get mad at others because they didn't protect you. You didn't protect yourself. I have a good friend who is a DIE HARD bulldog, but he's in a high risk category for this stuff. So he's made the sacrifice to not go to any ballgame and basically avoid large crowds whenever possible. He's taking care of himself instead of expecting others to do it and then getting mad when he inevitably would get sick.

Yep. As awful as China acted, once the virus was out of Wuhan (which probably happened extremely early), they probably couldn't have stopped it from blowing up into a pandemic even if they had tried. They could have made the harm a lot less bad early on if they had just been forthcoming and at least attempted to contain it from spreading internationally, and that could have made a big difference as far as getting our supply chains for medical supplies ready, but it probably wouldn't have utlimately prevented the pandemic.
12-03-2020, 03:01 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Yep. As awful as China acted, once the virus was out of Wuhan (which probably happened extremely early), they probably couldn't have stopped it from blowing up into a pandemic even if they had tried. They could have made the harm a lot less bad early on if they had just been forthcoming and at least attempted to contain it from spreading internationally, and that could have made a big difference as far as getting our supply chains for medical supplies ready, but it probably wouldn't have utlimately prevented the pandemic.

It may never come out, but I believe this virus has been here for 12.5 to 13 months. I fully believe that it's been in the US since at least the middle of November 2019.
12-03-2020, 03:04 PM
CaptainObvious

I was a skeptic. Then my wife got it from a patient, then I got it, then my son who was home for Thanksgiving got it.

I?m a believer. We have avoided the hospital but the boredom that goes along with quarantine is pretty miserable. I have felt blah but my breathing is manageable. But the muscle and joint aches.... my gosh those were awful.
12-03-2020, 03:51 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

It may never come out, but I believe this virus has been here for 12.5 to 13 months. I fully believe that it's been in the US since at least the middle of November 2019.

There was an article within the past few days confirming it in half a dozen blood samples from Red Cross donations from mid-December '19. Some west coast, some northeast.
12-03-2020, 04:27 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

I was a skeptic. Then my wife got it from a patient, then I got it, then my son who was home for Thanksgiving got it.

I?m a believer. We have avoided the hospital but the boredom that goes along with quarantine is pretty miserable. I have felt blah but my breathing is manageable. But the muscle and joint aches.... my gosh those were awful.

I'm not a skeptic of it, my father had it and had some pretty bad symptoms. He recovered and is doing good now. I think it's a tough deal, and if you have underlying conditions like my father does then it can be a real SOB. And hey, I understand that if you're a parent you're going to be at a higher risk for getting it simply by being around your kids who have been at school. The point I have tried to make, and have been trying to make for the last 7-8 months, is know yourself. If you believe that you're a high risk or someone that you see on a daily basis and interact with closely is a high risk then you need to limit your contact with some people. If that's not you then you're fine. Live your life. Again, if it's unavoidable for you then just take as many precautions as you can.

I will agree with you on the quarantine thing. I had to do it in the middle of July before I got my results back from my test and it was mentally draining. Not being able to see anyone takes a toll on you that you don't realize until it's taken away from you.
12-03-2020, 04:42 PM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

I was a skeptic. Then my wife got it from a patient, then I got it, then my son who was home for Thanksgiving got it.

I?m a believer. We have avoided the hospital but the boredom that goes along with quarantine is pretty miserable. I have felt blah but my breathing is manageable. But the muscle and joint aches.... my gosh those were awful.

My wife had it couple months back and to this day she still gets the shakes (Rigors) from it for a couple of hours every other day .... I have no idea why I didn't catch it from her because she would sleep on my pillow sometimes and even drink from my glass ... I just knew I was going to get it so I stayed home / quarantined for a week and never came down with it ... I'm a heavy smoker and I've heard that might help - IDK, but after watching her I feel for anyone that gets it ... hang tough dawg and hope everyone recovers quickly
12-03-2020, 05:24 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

We have not ignored him. We don't have pandemics because of moral failings. We have pandemics because sometimes there are novel contagious viruses. We listened and locked down for mostly no purpose after the first two weeks. In hindsight, even the first two weeks were pointless, but we didn't know as much about the virus then. We seriously damaged the finances of our hospitals and more or less accomplished nothing other than ensuring that our powder is not dry when we need it. And it wouldn't have taken any great effort for Dobbs to learn that there was going to be a limit to how much people would adjust their behavior in response to a pandemic. It would have basically required that he have a little bit of curiosity and ask somebody.

Also, it is somewhat fascinating to me that in school, when we learned about flagellants during the black death, it was sort of with the context of "can you believe how ignorant and crazy those people were"? But apparently there is a deep seated human need to believe we could have avoided bad things if we just acted more morally rather than accepting that there are bad things that happen that we can't avoid short of choosing something worse.

You are aware of the difference between mitigating and avoiding? Why does it have to be all or nothing. i don't get the "either it stops it cold or it's useless" point of view. I will never get that view in a million years. Like it or not there IS a moral component to this. We have a moral duty to our fellow man to do our best not to let our actions endanger other's lives. That is the basis of all peaceful civilization.
12-03-2020, 07:10 PM
RocketDawg

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Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked

Flu season looks to light this year.**

Flu is indeed light this year. It could be that masks are helping, or not much human interaction is responsible. Most people have a bunch of masks now, so after Covid is gone it could be that we'll be wearing masks for the flu for a while.
12-03-2020, 08:26 PM
confucius say

Yea flu is almost nonexistent. Doctor who is 70 told me it's the least flu he's ever seen by this time of year
12-03-2020, 08:57 PM
BeardoMSU

Over 218,000 new cases and 2,900 deaths today... we're ****in' up.
12-04-2020, 10:27 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

You are aware of the difference between mitigating and avoiding? Why does it have to be all or nothing. i don't get the "either it stops it cold or it's useless" point of view. I will never get that view in a million years.

I don't get why people always engage in straw men. Nothing I said has anything to do with an all or nothing approach.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Like it or not there IS a moral component to this. We have a moral duty to our fellow man to do our best not to let our actions endanger other's lives. That is the basis of all peaceful civilization.

AGain, you can flagellate yourself in the streets if you'd like. But we don't have a pandemic because people aren't doing that. We have a pandemic because of there is a novel coronavirus that's very contagious and pretty bad. It was going to be bad no matter what we did. It's going to be worse because we spent the spring and parts of the summer with empty hospitals while asking people to make sacrifices that aren't sustainable. We'd be in much better shape if we had told people to live more or less normally but to wear masks when near people in public and waited until cold and flu season to ask people to lock it down for a couple of weeks to let the hospitals get some breathing room. But that's not going to happen now because we have a state health officer that is apparently unaware that cold and flu season comes every year.
12-04-2020, 10:42 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I don't get why people always engage in straw men. Nothing I said has anything to do with an all or nothing approach.

AGain, you can flagellate yourself in the streets if you'd like. But we don't have a pandemic because people aren't doing that. We have a pandemic because of there is a novel coronavirus that's very contagious and pretty bad. It was going to be bad no matter what we did. It's going to be worse because we spent the spring and parts of the summer with empty hospitals while asking people to make sacrifices that aren't sustainable. We'd be in much better shape if we had told people to live more or less normally but to wear masks when near people in public and waited until cold and flu season to ask people to lock it down for a couple of weeks to let the hospitals get some breathing room. But that's not going to happen now because we have a state health officer that is apparently unaware that cold and flu season comes every year.

This is where it gets tricky because we have people in this state who for whatever reason(political, stubbornness, etc.) will not wear a mask no matter what. And these aren't healthy people either. It's obese people, older people, or people who have actual comorbidities. And then you have people like Robert Foster who is openly telling people to not wear their masks. Now I'm in the camp that it should be your choice whether you wear one or not, but if you're not going to wear one then don't A)complain when you get the virus or B) go into large public areas (grocery stores, restaurants, ballgames, etc.) where close contact is unavoidable and just straight up refuse to wear one.

I guess I say all that to say that some parts of the state haven't done a good job of controlling it, but at the same time it was unavoidable that we were going to have a flu season spike. Everyone has been saying that since March. We're in it now though so we have to do our best and live it with at this point. Heck, we might as well just steer into the skid and let it run it's course.
12-04-2020, 10:59 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

This is where it gets tricky because we have people in this state who for whatever reason(political, stubbornness, etc.) will not wear a mask no matter what. And these aren't healthy people either. It's obese people, older people, or people who have actual comorbidities. And then you have people like Robert Foster who is openly telling people to not wear their masks. Now I'm in the camp that it should be your choice whether you wear one or not, but if you're not going to wear one then don't A)complain when you get the virus or B) go into large public areas (grocery stores, restaurants, ballgames, etc.) where close contact is unavoidable and just straight up refuse to wear one.

I guess I say all that to say that some parts of the state haven't done a good job of controlling it, but at the same time it was unavoidable that we were going to have a flu season spike. Everyone has been saying that since March. We're in it now though so we have to do our best and live it with at this point. Heck, we might as well just steer into the skid and let it run it's course.

There are always going to be people that stubbornly ignore basic behavior that would help them and/or their fellow citizens. Whatever policy you choose has to take some non-compliance as a given. That said, to the extent you can move the needle on that at all, the way to do it is to appeal to people's community spirit, not tell them they're killing grandma. When you make stupid mistakes and then condemn people for not following your recommendations, it has the opposite effect.
12-04-2020, 12:00 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

There are always going to be people that stubbornly ignore basic behavior that would help them and/or their fellow citizens. Whatever policy you choose has to take some non-compliance as a given. That said, to the extent you can move the needle on that at all, the way to do it is to appeal to people's community spirit, not tell them they're killing grandma. When you make stupid mistakes and then condemn people for not following your recommendations, it has the opposite effect.

Well and I think another thing that weighs in on this is that people were told at first it'll be two weeks and we'll be ok. And then it was another two weeks, and then two months. The goalposts have continually been moved so I understand why people are reluctant because in their eyes it's not helping. Another thing that doesn't help is that the CDC came out at first and said that masks didn't help just so they'd have enough for the front line workers.