Baseball Class 2021

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11-16-2020, 12:33 AM
Todd4State

Baseball Class 2021

Just signed- looks like a top 10 class. Not quite as deep on pitching as the last class- but not bad.

Maddux Bruns is the guy that may be a draft risk here. He's our best pitching recruit. Pico Kohn I think will get to school and be a weekend guy. Jackson Conn from JA is 6'8" and is very projectable. He's up to 93 now and I think he has room to grow and clean up his mechanics some. Definitely could be a weekend guy here. Bruns is the only one that I think will emerge into a first round pick if we get him though.

Andrew Walling is a JUCO pitcher by way of Oregon State. He's a closer type- and he's a draft risk.

Tyler Haines has a pretty good slider for a high school pitcher and we'll develop that at MSU. Probably a relief pitcher for us. Jack Walker is from a really good high school program in Louisiana and I could see him becoming a weekend guy. Cole Cheatham and Taylor Montiel are both LHP that have starter potential as well but could also be bullpen guys.

We did really well filling positions with this class.

Gray Bane is a legacy from Lewisburg and is our catcher of the future after Logan Tanner and Luke Hancock leave.

We missed on Blaze Jordan who was originally supposed to be in this class but I think we found as good as replacement as we could in Hunter Hines from Madison Central. He's a LH power prospect that has been mashing all summer. I think he's our first baseman after Hatcher leaves. Aaron Downs is another good power hitting prospect that may be a draft risk. As a Cardinals fan he reminds me a little bit of a college version of Tyler O'Neill as far as how he is built. I think he will be a third baseman/corner outfielder for us depending on how long Kellum Clark is here. Either way I think he will find his way in the lineup sooner than later in his college career.

Jordan McCants is a SS who is a speed guy and may be a lead off hitter for us if doesn't go pro. His brother plays at Ole Miss.

James Wood is the biggest draft risk on the team. He's 6'6" and is a corner OF all the way. He needs to fill out but he's probably a MLB player and has big time power potential. I could see him being a first round pick with his upside this year. If we somehow get him he will be a superstar here. Jeffrey Ince is a player I like a lot- I think he ends up in the OF for us mostly because I think Davis Meche will win the second base job next year if not this year and we need to find a way to get both in the lineup. Really hard nosed MSU type player. Matt Corder is a JUCO player from Hinds kind of in that mold as well. He's versatile but I think he's an OF for us. Think Cody Brown as a RH hitter. He'll probably be a guy that is a leader type on the team for us. Trey Higgins is a great athlete that will play OF for us as well and I think he has good chance to start for us. I like that he is a switch hitter and he plays QB for his HS team. Bradley Wilson is a guy that can catch and pitch- kind of a mystery to me where he ultimately ends up but he's another guy that's athletic and I could see us maybe trying him at a couple of spots and finding a place for him.
11-16-2020, 01:59 AM
The Federalist Engineer

Forgetting kids that are: non-Mississippi, non-South, and Super Highly Rated ?. like Austin Hendricks, Colorado Kids, and New York Kids...

Maddux Bruns is a big player for us in this class. You need this type of talent for Game-1 in Super Regionals and Game-1 in Omaha against the same type of player in a Vanderbilt or Louisville uniform.
11-16-2020, 08:26 AM
ShotgunDawg

Woods = Fred McGriff. He's going in the top 50 picks.

Bruns - Doesn't throw a ton of strikes. top 50 pick type talent, but may fall to college due to strike throwing.

Kohn - Future all SEC left handed pitcher. Not a ton different than Nikhazy at Ole Miss

Walling - Depends on signability & how he does as a starter this year in JUCO. He wants to start, and if teams think he's a 4th-5th round closer instead of a top 3 round starter, he may come to MSU to prove them wrong. Either way, he's a 97 mph lefty that can spin a breaking ball. He's an impact talent
11-16-2020, 11:04 AM
State82

Outstanding breakdown of this upcoming class Todd. Good read.
11-16-2020, 11:14 AM
ZedFedder

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Woods = Fred McGriff. He's going in the top 50 picks.

Bruns - Doesn't throw a ton of strikes. top 50 pick type talent, but may fall to college due to strike throwing.

Kohn - Future all SEC left handed pitcher. Not a ton different than Nikhazy at Ole Miss

Walling - Depends on signability & how he does as a starter this year in JUCO. He wants to start, and if teams think he's a 4th-5th round closer instead of a top 3 round starter, he may come to MSU to prove them wrong. Either way, he's a 97 mph lefty that can spin a breaking ball. He's an impact talent

Kohn is a lot more projectable than Nikhazy, though. A lot more room to grow.
11-16-2020, 11:25 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by ZedFedder

Kohn is a lot more projectable than Nikhazy, though. A lot more room to grow.

True but Nikhazy is more advanced out of high school. At least at this point. We'll see how Kohn looks in the Spring
11-16-2020, 05:31 PM
ZedFedder

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

True but Nikhazy is more advanced out of high school. At least at this point. We'll see how Kohn looks in the Spring

I don’t think that’s true about him being more advanced.
11-16-2020, 06:43 PM
MsStateBaseball

I really think the MLB teams will go after college players and high end HS talent first. Lots and lots of college players to choose from. Of course if Bruns blows up this spring then he will go high. Walling is in same boat.

With Wood, he has major competition w lots of college age kids that can hit better pitching.
11-16-2020, 06:43 PM
MsStateBaseball

Nikhazy is so overrated...
11-16-2020, 06:46 PM
BHildreth3

Bane must be Craig Bane's son. Damn I am getting old but love thinking back to the old players. Great analysis Todd! Thanks!
11-16-2020, 06:47 PM
MsStateBaseball

We cannot sign too many highly ranked players. We live by getting the under valued players and developing them so PG rankings don?t mean much to me.
11-16-2020, 06:50 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by BHildreth3

Bane must be Craig Bane's son. Damn I am getting old but love thinking back to the old players

Yep. He is.
11-16-2020, 06:51 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by MsStateBaseball

I really think the MLB teams will go after college players and high end HS talent first. Lots and lots of college players to choose from. Of course if Bruns blows up this spring then he will go high. Walling is in same boat.

With Wood, he has major competition w lots of college age kids that can hit better pitching.

Don't even know how many rounds it's going to be yet do they?
11-16-2020, 07:12 PM
MsStateBaseball

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Don't even know how many rounds it's going to be yet do they?

No but it looks like 20. If they start giving virus shots in late spring, MLB still won?t be at full fan capacity which means lost revenue. It looks like minor league baseball is a go w no fans or very little. Still losing money.
11-16-2020, 08:12 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by MsStateBaseball

No but it looks like 20. If they start giving virus shots in late spring, MLB still won?t be at full fan capacity which means lost revenue. It looks like minor league baseball is a go w no fans or very little. Still losing money.

Remember too that they are gutting the minor league system. Dropping 42 teams - mostly low A and Rookie ball teams means roughly 1000 less spots to fill. They are going to reduce risk by letting college teams do the development now. A lot less HS players are going to get drafted from here on.
11-16-2020, 09:09 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by MsStateBaseball

No but it looks like 20. If they start giving virus shots in late spring, MLB still won?t be at full fan capacity which means lost revenue. It looks like minor league baseball is a go w no fans or very little. Still losing money.

Bad year to be a middle of the road free agent. Also gonna see lots of teams not tender guys that are arbitration eligible. Gonna be a different off season for mlb signings.
11-16-2020, 09:16 PM
MsStateBaseball

You know how owners want to spend less and get more, well this is the year. ?You want a million dollars in the 6th round..we don?t have it bc of COVID...?

I would go to college and wait 2-3 years.
11-16-2020, 10:01 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by MsStateBaseball

You know how owners want to spend less and get more, well this is the year. ?You want a million dollars in the 6th round..we don?t have it bc of COVID...?

I would go to college and wait 2-3 years.

I agree w the go to college part. But they are all still going to spend all their slot money. We wil lose guys in the draft. And if we don't, we aren't signing enough of the right guys.
11-16-2020, 10:34 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by ZedFedder

I don’t think that’s true about him being more advanced.

Ok
11-16-2020, 10:37 PM
ShotgunDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsStateBaseball

You know how owners want to spend less and get more, well this is the year. ?You want a million dollars in the 6th round..we don?t have it bc of COVID...?

I would go to college and wait 2-3 years.

Not how how the draft works. Every teams has a pool of money they can use in the first 10 rounds of the draft, and, since the draft is the most cost effective way to acquire talent, I can assure you every team will use every penny of that money.

If a team has 1 mil to spend in the 6th round, it means they've saved 1 mil in the 1st or 2nd round. They're spending it.
11-16-2020, 10:37 PM
ShotgunDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

I agree w the go to college part. But they are all still going to spend all their slot money. We wil lose guys in the draft. And if we don't, we aren't signing enough of the right guys.

going to college or now depends on the kid. Every situation is different
11-16-2020, 10:38 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Bad year to be a middle of the road free agent. Also gonna see lots of teams not tender guys that are arbitration eligible. Gonna be a different off season for mlb signings.

Agree. It's been a bad times to be a middle of the road free agent for a while. The MLBPA will want to fix that in the next CBA
11-17-2020, 07:48 AM
MsStateBaseball

We can afford to lose Wood and Bruns to draft and still be good. We should have never signed Austin Hendrick, that was Cannizzaro and Blaze was going pro no matter what.

But we have got to keep big recruits too sometimes. I know the staff, since I keep up w recruiting, will stop recruiting a kid bc they KNOW it will be impossible to keep them. Florida and Vanderbilt sign so many high end kids they keep their fair share and some don?t work out.

We live to get guys like Justin Foscue, they improve so much bc of their makeup in 3 years.

I?ve been to several summer and fall camps to see Lemonis in action (and Gautreau) and the rate of offering and committing is up there. The stadium and facilities sell it big time. I saw Wood there and knew he would commit.
11-17-2020, 08:04 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Not how how the draft works. Every teams has a pool of money they can use in the first 10 rounds of the draft, and, since the draft is the most cost effective way to acquire talent, I can assure you every team will use every penny of that money.

If a team has 1 mil to spend in the 6th round, it means they've saved 1 mil in the 1st or 2nd round. They're spending it.

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Originally Posted by MsStateBaseball

We can afford to lose Wood and Bruns to draft and still be good. We should have never signed Austin Hendrick, that was Cannizzaro and Blaze was going pro no matter what.

But we have got to keep big recruits too sometimes. I know the staff, since I keep up w recruiting, will stop recruiting a kid bc they KNOW it will be impossible to keep them. Florida and Vanderbilt sign so many high end kids they keep their fair share and some don?t work out.

We live to get guys like Justin Foscue, they improve so much bc of their makeup in 3 years.

I?ve been to several summer and fall camps to see Lemonis in action (and Gautreau) and the rate of offering and committing is up there. The stadium and facilities sell it big time. I saw Wood there and knew he would commit.

I don't agree with this.

You sign as many high end kids as you can and then you just have to be realistic about whether or not they'll get to campus and spend their money elsewhere

You still commit them though because you never know if a kid will get injured and end up going to school. As long as you're realistic about them getting to campus, it does no harm to sign them.
11-17-2020, 08:25 AM
Homedawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsStateBaseball

We can afford to lose Wood and Bruns to draft and still be good. We should have never signed Austin Hendrick, that was Cannizzaro and Blaze was going pro no matter what.

But we have got to keep big recruits too sometimes. I know the staff, since I keep up w recruiting, will stop recruiting a kid bc they KNOW it will be impossible to keep them. Florida and Vanderbilt sign so many high end kids they keep their fair share and some don?t work out.

We live to get guys like Justin Foscue, they improve so much bc of their makeup in 3 years.

I?ve been to several summer and fall camps to see Lemonis in action (and Gautreau) and the rate of offering and committing is up there. The stadium and facilities sell it big time. I saw Wood there and knew he would commit.

Why not sign Hendricks?? It's 99.9 he's going pro. But there is still .01. The team that signs him is the only team that can get him. And he's was committed a long time. Some guys lose value and drop. Get em committed and go from there.
11-17-2020, 08:26 AM
Homedawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I don't agree with this.

You sign as many high end kids as you can and then you just have to be realistic about whether or not they'll get to campus and spend their money elsewhere

You still commit them though because you never know if a kid will get injured and end up going to school. As long as you're realistic about them getting to campus, it does no harm to sign them.

This is the correct answer!!
11-17-2020, 08:37 AM
ShotgunDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

Why not sign Hendricks?? It's 99.9 he's going pro. But there is still .01. The team that signs him is the only team that can get him. And he's was committed a long time. Some guys lose value and drop. Get em committed and go from there.

Of course you sign him.

I like MsStateBaseball & the things he does, but I'm not sure he understands the business here.
11-17-2020, 09:42 AM
Dawg-gone-dawgs

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Just signed- looks like a top 10 class. Not quite as deep on pitching as the last class- but not bad.

Maddux Bruns is the guy that may be a draft risk here. He's our best pitching recruit. Pico Kohn I think will get to school and be a weekend guy. Jackson Conn from JA is 6'8" and is very projectable. He's up to 93 now and I think he has room to grow and clean up his mechanics some. Definitely could be a weekend guy here. Bruns is the only one that I think will emerge into a first round pick if we get him though.

Andrew Walling is a JUCO pitcher by way of Oregon State. He's a closer type- and he's a draft risk.

Tyler Haines has a pretty good slider for a high school pitcher and we'll develop that at MSU. Probably a relief pitcher for us. Jack Walker is from a really good high school program in Louisiana and I could see him becoming a weekend guy. Cole Cheatham and Taylor Montiel are both LHP that have starter potential as well but could also be bullpen guys.

We did really well filling positions with this class.

Gray Bane is a legacy from Lewisburg and is our catcher of the future after Logan Tanner and Luke Hancock leave.

We missed on Blaze Jordan who was originally supposed to be in this class but I think we found as good as replacement as we could in Hunter Hines from Madison Central. He's a LH power prospect that has been mashing all summer. I think he's our first baseman after Hatcher leaves. Aaron Downs is another good power hitting prospect that may be a draft risk. As a Cardinals fan he reminds me a little bit of a college version of Tyler O'Neill as far as how he is built. I think he will be a third baseman/corner outfielder for us depending on how long Kellum Clark is here. Either way I think he will find his way in the lineup sooner than later in his college career.

Jordan McCants is a SS who is a speed guy and may be a lead off hitter for us if doesn't go pro. His brother plays at Ole Miss.

James Wood is the biggest draft risk on the team. He's 6'6" and is a corner OF all the way. He needs to fill out but he's probably a MLB player and has big time power potential. I could see him being a first round pick with his upside this year. If we somehow get him he will be a superstar here. Jeffrey Ince is a player I like a lot- I think he ends up in the OF for us mostly because I think Davis Meche will win the second base job next year if not this year and we need to find a way to get both in the lineup. Really hard nosed MSU type player. Matt Corder is a JUCO player from Hinds kind of in that mold as well. He's versatile but I think he's an OF for us. Think Cody Brown as a RH hitter. He'll probably be a guy that is a leader type on the team for us. Trey Higgins is a great athlete that will play OF for us as well and I think he has good chance to start for us. I like that he is a switch hitter and he plays QB for his HS team. Bradley Wilson is a guy that can catch and pitch- kind of a mystery to me where he ultimately ends up but he's another guy that's athletic and I could see us maybe trying him at a couple of spots and finding a place for him.

Thanks! Always enjoy your baseball input!
11-17-2020, 12:03 PM
MsStateBaseball

I think the coaches want to sign an Austin Reed over a Hendricks. Just my opinion. Reed has a ton of potential. They are taking a chance with Wood bc there?s a good chance he comes to college in there mind.

I?m not an expert on the draft. I read what the experts say and next year will be overloaded with college talent which will push the HS guys down.
11-17-2020, 12:07 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by MsStateBaseball

I think the coaches want to sign an Austin Reed over a Hendricks. Just my opinion. Reed has a ton of potential. They are taking a chance with Wood bc there?s a good chance he comes to college in there mind.

I?m not an expert on the draft. I read what the experts say and next year will be overloaded with college talent which will push the HS guys down.

They want to sign both. They did. Reed isn't even on baseball aid. You need backup plans, we've done that. But keep signing the best of the best. As for your draft comment, I think, as a rule, that's the way it will be as far as HS guys getting pushed down more and more. However, the elite guys, for the most part, are still going to sign. Plus the ones that just don't care to go to college anyway.
11-18-2020, 08:45 PM
Commercecomet24

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I don't agree with this.

You sign as many high end kids as you can and then you just have to be realistic about whether or not they'll get to campus and spend their money elsewhere

You still commit them though because you never know if a kid will get injured and end up going to school. As long as you're realistic about them getting to campus, it does no harm to sign them.

Yes! This is the correct answer!