They are running tempo and consistently snapping the ball with 20 seconds left on the play clock. No check with me. Did Moorhead just try to make us suck or did our guys just not know what to do at all?
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They are running tempo and consistently snapping the ball with 20 seconds left on the play clock. No check with me. Did Moorhead just try to make us suck or did our guys just not know what to do at all?
Every coach that comes here fails from now on probably
Moorhead works for a HC- the HC tells him what he wants on offense. Moorhead's HC has told him to stop dragging out the playclock with that silly shit. Snap the ball and run the play
Herbstreit has been sucking him off all game as well for good measure
Stuff like this is why I blame the players and not the coaches.
I figured it had something to do with Cristobal saying cut that shit out. Also probably helps Moorhead to only focus on offense and not be the head guyQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Tommy Stevens didn't know what to do in his 4th year of the offense?
Cristobal is an offensive coach..... JoMo is coaching Cristobal's system..... not his own.
They adjusted the passing game with Moorehead’s system and added to the QB’s running responsibilities with Moorehead’s system. Their run game generally didn’t have to change much as a lot was already what Moorhead does. Cristobal I’m sure instructed him to what he wants philosophically but not system wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
You are smarter than thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
It’s all speculation but there is nothing worse than something driving you crazy as a spectator only to see that player or coach move on and the suddenly never have that problem again.
In this case I thing Joe is doing what the coach told him because our offense “looked” like PSU from a play call and tempo standpoint
Apparently you're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
As I said last year. Stick to baseball Todd.
I'll take it as seriously as I did last year. Idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by trojandawg
All it is, is fans see our players as just that, fans. Our players outside of Errol Thompson are young and inexperienced and just plain out not good at this point. We lucked up last year and got a bowl game. Everyone should of known that Mullen left us pretty bare in recruiting at the end. Moorhead was getting good recruits but has a young team that didn't understand his system fully. Same thing with Leach. It's always Jimmy's and Joe's before X's and O's when things are going good but not the same when things are bad. Why is that?
Because there are teams with less talent than us that look much better. That can score a few points a game on offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fader21
Why did we quit scoring? Was that completely on the players? Or did Vanderbilts defense make adjustments and Leach didn't counter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Vanderbilt adjusted and we didn?t...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
JWS said it best "Players Have to make make plays but the Coach has to put them in the right situation to win the game"!
Like who? I guarantee you those teams also aren't young and inexperienced like us. We have got to realize that it's not always on a coach when things are going south.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Well, you're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Nevermind the players turned on Moorhead. The total lack of discipline and lack of a s/c program. The players didn't force him to empty the clock and call crazy ass timeouts because he couldn't get a play called. And let's not forget he had his handpicked QB who knew his system. We've had two coaches that have completely tied themselves to their systems with no flexibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fader21
Is recruiting tough here? Absolutely, but we still recruit about a top 25 level. We've played at a bottom 25 level. That's on the coach. Especially with a top 5 defense.
It seemed to me that MSU offensive line lined up closer together in the first half than the second half but I only checked for that a few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
Our offense needs to throw passes further than two yards. I don't know how down field is not open when 8 defensive players are within the first five yards of the line of scrimmage on every play.
Difference is he is not HC. HC has told him what he can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Oh yeah? Tell me which players on offense are going to play in the NFL next year if we're so good?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
What about the nfl players on vandys defense?
Eiland will. Kylin Hill will. Most of the rest are young. But how many offensive players do we normally put in the NFL that arent OL? Mullen won without putting many offensives guys in the NFL. Joe Moorhead was a joke! Even the players will tell you how bad it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Greg Eliand? Do wuut? He has regressed tremendously and barely gets in the way of the DL. He is not sniffing the NFL. Haha.
He's not a tackle and the NFL likes him for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by MafiaDawg
Eiland won't last long in the NFL if they take him. His feet are horrible. Hill had major attitude issues and isn't on the team anymore. Thanks for proving my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
How can people blame the players? Seriously?
In 2016 were 7th in the conference in ypg, 7th in ppg. What NFL talent did we have on O? Rankin redshirted, Jenkins was young, Aerris and Fitz and the WRs never did anything in the NFL. NO, it was Mullen that created a system that allowed us to be far better than our NFL potential.
Hell, that year with So Fitz we had 209 passing yards per game, MORE THAN MIKE LEACH CAN GET VS VANDY!
Then in 2017 we finished 6th in ypg, 7th in points. We returned literally everything on O, and under Moorhead we went and 10th in both ypg and ppg. Same players, 1 year more experienced and well developed, big droppoff in performance. It wasn't the players, it was JoMo refusing to fit his system to them.
And now we run the air raid and it's getting worse results than JoMo's offense. But it's the players? Our lack of NFL guys? We're seriously asking what players will play in the NFL as if you need NFL players to put up more than 209 yards of O on VANDY?
Look if we had Dak, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, and Elgton Jenkins I'm sure the O would be better than it is. The point is not that we have amazing players or that players don't matter, the point is that if you can't see our scheme is failing to maximize what we have I can't help you
I'm still waiting on you to explain how Mullen won games without NFL talent. Nobody said our roster was good this year. But Mullen would win 6 with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I have watched Kiffin try that play clock stuff against Stanford while at USC. Stanford backers did split vision and watched the play clock. When it got under 2 or 3 seconds, backers communicated the play clock to the defensive linemen and the linemen started to charge as the ball was snapped or possibly a nanosecond before the offense snapped the ball? Also I have watched this occur at JUCO games while I was coaching FWIW?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34