We win today if Will Rogers starts

Why do MSU coaches play veterans over better players? It's insane. I think Rogers has to start going forward though. If he can get us to 21-28 this year we will have a chance to win some games and I think that will tip the scales for us the second half of the year.

I'm encouraged about the future. We are playing a lot of young players- Rogers, Marks, D. Johnson, Walley, Cross, Dolla Bill, and Cole Smith on offense. And then our defense has a lot of young players too- Pickering, Crumedy, Brule, Preston, Forbes, and Emerson. Once we add in guys like Tulu and Dean and then our recruits like Nabors, Knox, Jacobi Moore, Pounders, and hopefully win some battles for art Cooper and Callaway the future is really bright.

Losing sucks right now but I think we're pretty close to getting this turned around.

I thought Heath and Osiris played well today after I spent all last week bashing them. I hope they have turned a corner and finish the year strong.

Not a lot we can do about the o-line. Hevesy recruited most of the seniors we have been playing and now people see why I complained so hard. **** that guy. We probably need to bring in about 3-4 JUCO offensive linemen and then hold an all out competition next year.

Our defense is legit- they really only allowed the two long TD drives and I can live with that any game. Aside from the blocked punt we were solid again on special teams. Hopefully we can find a punt returner that can bust some returns like Kevin Prentiss used to.

Once Leach gets us going we're going to be really good. Our young guys are taking their lumps right now but their time is coming.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Once Leach gets us going we're going to be really good. Our young guys are taking their lumps right now but their time is coming.

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I agree in principle. We looked better today than the last 2 weeks. We will kill it when CML gets everyone on the same page. Patience. It is happening and it will be glorious.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Why do MSU coaches play veterans over better players? It's insane. I think Rogers has to start going forward though. If he can get us to 21-28 this year we will have a chance to win some games and I think that will tip the scales for us the second half of the year.

I'm encouraged about the future. We are playing a lot of young players- Rogers, Marks, D. Johnson, Walley, Cross, Dolla Bill, and Cole Smith on offense. And then our defense has a lot of young players too- Pickering, Crumedy, Brule, Preston, Forbes, and Emerson. Once we add in guys like Tulu and Dean and then our recruits like Nabors, Knox, Jacobi Moore, Pounders, and hopefully win some battles for art Cooper and Callaway the future is really bright.

Losing sucks right now but I think we're pretty close to getting this turned around.

I thought Heath and Osiris played well today after I spent all last week bashing them. I hope they have turned a corner and finish the year strong.

Not a lot we can do about the o-line. Hevesy recruited most of the seniors we have been playing and now people see why I complained so hard. **** that guy. We probably need to bring in about 3-4 JUCO offensive linemen and then hold an all out competition next year.

Our defense is legit- they really only allowed the two long TD drives and I can live with that any game. Aside from the blocked punt we were solid again on special teams. Hopefully we can find a punt returner that can bust some returns like Kevin Prentiss used to.

Once Leach gets us going we're going to be really good. Our young guys are taking their lumps right now but their time is coming.

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Yawn.

You can bitch all you want about Hevesy but that man made some damn good offensive lineman and put a bunch in the league. Our offensive line went to shit the day he left. You might not like the way he recruited but I can remember when he was here that lineman knocked their men off the line of scrimmage. Now they get their asses handed too them by three guys that can pin their ears back and rush.

I think there's a shot we would've won. We gotta stay healthy tho cause I ain't seeing much depth anywhere really.

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Originally Posted by trojandawg

Yawn.

You can bitch all you want about Hevesy but that man made some damn good offensive lineman and put a bunch in the league. Our offensive line went to shit the day he left. You might not like the way he recruited but I can remember when he was here that lineman knocked their men off the line of scrimmage. Now they get their asses handed too them by three guys that can pin their ears back and rush.

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You must have become a MSU fan in 2017 and missed 2015 and most of 2016. He's absolute trash. Gets credit for Gabe Jackson who he didn't even recruit.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I think there's a shot we would've won. We gotta stay healthy tho cause I ain't seeing much depth anywhere really.

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I agree. We don't have any margin for error. Can't have punts blocked or turnovers. I'm thinking if Will starts it's maybe a 21-14 game. Not including our Pick-6.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You must have become a MSU fan in 2017 and missed 2015 and most of 2016. He's absolute trash. Gets credit for Gabe Jackson who he didn't even recruit.

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He is dang good coach, crap recruiter and can be a turd but can coach OL very well. We have Jenkins, Rankin, Phillips, Calhoun, Williams, Jackson and Champion in the NFL and others over the years like Day played as well.

Will has the IT factor. The entire offense picked it up when he came in. Turnovers are still killer. At least we got one in our favor today.

During pregame warmups, KJ was lobbing balls and Will was firing them in. Something is wrong with KJ. I do not know what it is. The receivers seem to pep up when the gun slinger is in the game as well.

Surely leach can see this. Let?s hope he does.

KJ had a hell of an arm week 1. I am sure having only 1.5 seconds and taking shots literally every single down, may some effect on his arm strength. I may need to go back and rewatch the Ark game and see if he took a shot to his arm or shoulder.

I can't see it Todd, not sure Leach will ever make the adjustments in his offense and after the last three weeks Stevie Wonder can see Leach hasn't made adjustments. We had minus two yards rushing with only 217 yards of offense.

it's early but with Joe and now Leach, we are headed to the bottom "again".

Leach is 60, not sure he can recruit and with this season going so bad I'm not sure recruiting will be improved.

We will be vastly improved if he starts Rodgers. His quicker release makes it easier on the WR and the OL.

I'm at the point I hope Covid cancels the season. We might beat Vandy but we aren't winning again other than that. And I'm not even sure we'll win that one. 6 years from being #1 in the country and we're hoping to win 2 damn games.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I'm at the point I hope Covid cancels the season. We might beat Vandy but we aren't winning again other than that. And I'm not even sure we'll win that one.

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Me too. Painful to watch. I hope Costello doesn't decide to stick around another year. He came here to polish his resume and did the opposite. I don't want him to even be an option for us in 2021. As far as the OL goes....maybe we can find a couple of guys on the open market to come in and help.

Our OL still stinks, but with Rogers in there, he is much more decisive and has much more zip. I agree that things may not be good now, but the future is really bright. Check this out.

QB: Rogers seems to be at minimum very capable of running the offense, and he may end up being even better than that. Then, you are bringing in Sawyer Robertson and Daniel Greek. Robertson seems to be really, really talented. Future looks secure here

RB: The two freshmen both look like they’ll be very good. Marks has more of an explosive side while D. Johnson seems to be more physical and breaks tackles. I really don’t see the Howard kid from Starkville coming in and doing much in this offense, but that’s okay with who we have. Maybe we can add one more this class. Still, future is secure here.

WR: I thought the WRs looked better this game. I feel Walley is a future star. We feel good about Tulu. Then, you are bringing in Buckhaulter, Jacobi Moore, Knox, and Nabers. You have to think at least two of that group can become really good players for you. Future is secure here.

OL: Here is the question mark. Still, talent really doesn’t seem to be the issue more than just missing guys right in front of them. Eiland got embarrassed, but he is a senior. Cross has been good, I think Dolla Bill is good in time. We have to continue to recruit well here, or at least do what Mullen did and develop. This is the only offensive spot where I’m uncertain on the future. But I think you have to try to be as bad as they are right now. Only way to go is up.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I'm at the point I hope Covid cancels the season. We might beat Vandy but we aren't winning again other than that. And I'm not even sure we'll win that one. 6 years from being #1 in the country and we're hoping to win 2 damn games.

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I disagree. I see 4 more winnable games on the schedule (Vandy, Auburn, OM, and Missouri), but we have to commit to Rogers and show SOME improvement on the OL. Not saying we win all four, but 3-7/4-6 is still on the table- and that?s about what I predicted going into the season anyway.

It?s not a great sample size, but Rogers got three series today. He was 15/18 for 120 yards, 1 TD, and most importantly 0 turnovers. The offense was more fluid with him in the game, and it?s something we can build on if we commit to Rogers.

I find it funny that many of the people who predicted a 3-7 type year in August are the ones freaking out the most, when it looks like that?s exactly where we are heading... I predicted 6-6 before the All-SEC schedule went into effect, and a 3-7 record with this schedule is pretty much the same thing as 6-6 in a normal year.

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Originally Posted by messageboardsuperhero

I disagree. I see 4 more winnable games on the schedule (Vandy, Auburn, OM, and Missouri), but we have to commit to Rogers and show SOME improvement on the OL. Not saying we win all four, but 3-7/4-6 is still on the table- and that?s about what I predicted going into the season anyway.

It?s not a great sample size, but Rogers got three series today. He was 15/18 for 120 yards, 1 TD, and most importantly 0 turnovers. The offense was more fluid with him in the game, and it?s something we can build on if we commit to Rogers.

I find it funny that many of the people who predicted a 3-7 type year in August are the ones freaking out the most, when it looks like that?s exactly where we are heading... I predicted 6-6 before the All-SEC schedule went into effect, and a 3-7 record with this schedule is pretty much the same thing as 6-6 in a normal year.

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I think it has to do with most here thought the defense would be really bad and leach would field a good offense. If you're doubting leach's ability to field a good offense, all-the-sudden this hire is very concerning. Now we are only 4 games in, so it's still very early.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I think it has to do with most here thought the defense would be really bad and leach would field a good offense. If you're doubting leach's ability to field a good offense, all-the-sudden this hire is very concerning. Now we are only 4 games in, so it's still very early.

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That?s fair, and I agree it?s very early to determine whether or not this scheme will work.

On the flip side, shouldn?t what we?ve seen from the defense be exciting? These same people said we would be terrible on defense this year and never have a decent defense while Leach is here, but that is clearly not true. Our defense has been solid at very worst- in reality it?s been one of the best defenses in the league so far.

As bad as we?ve been offensively, we are still not forcing the defense to stay on the field for a bunch of plays (67.8 plays per game is tied for third fewest in the SEC). Imagine what that number looks like if this offense starts clicking, and we aren?t turning it over or punting every possession. If you give Leach good defensive talent and the budget to hire a good DC, he will put a good defense on the field.

To me, the OL play and future DC hires are what will make or break the Leach tenure. It?s that simple, IMO.

Will Rodgers quick release is helping the OL, the defenders were not getting to him, like they were against KJ. KJ has been holding the ball too long, because he's not exactly sure where his receivers are going to be. Rodgers has been running this offense since he was a HS freshman and he just instinctively knows where his WR are going to be. I believe we will win some games with Will at QB.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

Will Rodgers quick release is helping the OL, the defenders were not getting to him, like they were against KJ. KJ has been holding the ball too long, because he's not exactly sure where his receivers are going to be. Rodgers has been running this offense since he was a HS freshman and he just instinctively knows where his WR are going to be. I believe we will win some games with Will at QB.

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This is where I’m at. The OL still needs to improve vastly. But, Will gives us a better chance because of exactly what you said.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

Will Rodgers quick release is helping the OL, the defenders were not getting to him, like they were against KJ. KJ has been holding the ball too long, because he's not exactly sure where his receivers are going to be. Rodgers has been running this offense since he was a HS freshman and he just instinctively knows where his WR are going to be. I believe we will win some games with Will at QB.

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Yep. Right now Will is more mobile in the pocket, more decisive, and has a quicker release than KJ. He covers up our OL issues better than KJ.

Benching a senior grad transfer who you brought in to start this season is a really tough thing to do, but Leach has to go with Will. I?m not sure how many games we win from here on out with Will, but he gives us the best chance to move the ball and score points.

Y'all calling for will to start might wanna wait till vandy. Bama might break him in half

And gets him reps preparing for next season. KJ has been given his chance quite fairly.

It blows my mind to sit there and watch our guards block air while our tackles are just whipped. We killed Jomo for allowing Josh Allen at UK to take over the game in his first year without giving help.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Y'all calling for will to start might wanna wait till vandy. Bama might break him in half

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Can't play scared, I don't think that is the Leach way 'Swing your sword'!

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

Can't play scared, I don't think that is the Leach way 'Swing your sword'!

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We haven't been able to block ark, Kentucky, or aTm's DEs one-on-one. Bama's are gonna be better, much better. Rogers is gonna get hit like he's never been hit if he starts.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Will has the IT factor. The entire offense picked it up when he came in. Turnovers are still killer. At least we got one in our favor today.

During pregame warmups, KJ was lobbing balls and Will was firing them in. Something is wrong with KJ. I do not know what it is. The receivers seem to pep up when the gun slinger is in the game as well.

Surely leach can see this. Let?s hope he does.

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I've been thinking KJ may still be hurt some. At very least his injury has made him gun shy and more afraid to be him IMO.

Now some of y'all have been watching Will all thru HS and stuff, but let's not get too high on him and jinx him by saying he had the "it factor" just yet. He may have but he only played a little over a quarter yesterday I think. We are Ms State ... remember ****

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I've been thinking KJ may still be hurt some. At very least his injury has made him gun shy and more afraid to be him IMO.

Now some of y'all have been watching Will all thru HS and stuff, but let's not get too high on him and jinx him by saying he had the "it factor" just yet. He may have but he only played a little over a quarter yesterday I think. We are Ms State ... remember ****

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He also entered when the game was over. At 28-7 in the 3rd, jimbo could've loaded the offense up on the bus and held that lead for 4 more quarters

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Why do MSU coaches play veterans over better players? It's insane. I think Rogers has to start going forward though. If he can get us to 21-28 this year we will have a chance to win some games and I think that will tip the scales for us the second half of the year.

I'm encouraged about the future. We are playing a lot of young players- Rogers, Marks, D. Johnson, Walley, Cross, Dolla Bill, and Cole Smith on offense. And then our defense has a lot of young players too- Pickering, Crumedy, Brule, Preston, Forbes, and Emerson. Once we add in guys like Tulu and Dean and then our recruits like Nabors, Knox, Jacobi Moore, Pounders, and hopefully win some battles for art Cooper and Callaway the future is really bright.

Losing sucks right now but I think we're pretty close to getting this turned around.

I thought Heath and Osiris played well today after I spent all last week bashing them. I hope they have turned a corner and finish the year strong.

Not a lot we can do about the o-line. Hevesy recruited most of the seniors we have been playing and now people see why I complained so hard. **** that guy. We probably need to bring in about 3-4 JUCO offensive linemen and then hold an all out competition next year.

Our defense is legit- they really only allowed the two long TD drives and I can live with that any game. Aside from the blocked punt we were solid again on special teams. Hopefully we can find a punt returner that can bust some returns like Kevin Prentiss used to.

Once Leach gets us going we're going to be really good. Our young guys are taking their lumps right now but their time is coming.

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1) You were one of the ones this past week complaining Moorhead played Hill over Aeris.
2) I?m glad you brought up Hev again. You are clueless. If it was up to you, we would?ve signed Nik Hogan at Northwest Rankin two years ago because he was a 4* at one time but can?t get on the field at Tulane. Only gets credit for Jackson? Yeah he didn?t scout and find Jenkins, Rankin, Williams, Tyre Phillips, Blaine Clausell, and Dylan Day had a run. In fact, Hevesy, after we lost to Florida, wrote everyone of our starters a note and sent it to them telling them what they did exactly wrong and what to fix. It?s no wonder Greg Eiland started playing like crap AFTER Hev left. Stick to your band analytics, clown.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Y'all calling for will to start might wanna wait till vandy. Bama might break him in half

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I'm concerned with this too. And it could at very least hurt his confidence a lot. Bama gonna smoke us bad.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

1) You were one of the ones this past week complaining Moorhead played Hill over Aeris.
2) I?m glad you brought up Hev again. You are clueless. If it was up to you, we would?ve signed Nik Hogan at Northwest Rankin two years ago because he was a 4* at one time but can?t get on the field at Tulane. Only gets credit for Jackson? Yeah he didn?t scout and find Jenkins, Rankin, Williams, Tyre Phillips, Blaine Clausell, and Dylan Day had a run. In fact, Hevesy, after we lost to Florida, wrote everyone of our starters a note and sent it to them telling them what they did exactly wrong and what to fix. It?s no wonder Greg Eiland started playing like crap AFTER Hev left. Stick to your band analytics, clown.

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That Hev letter story is awesome. How embarrassing would that be for the new staff?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

He also entered when the game was over. At 28-7 in the 3rd, jimbo could've loaded the offense up on the bus and held that lead for 4 more quarters

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True. I like the way he moves (has nimble feet, slides in pocket well), he seems to see the field better, has more zip on ball too but you right, TAM had big lead so hard to tell yet.

Leach has a system and believes he can stick anyone back there and run it after much repetition. Maybe he's right, in the conferences he was in previously in. But in the SEC you have to have the athletes to compete and we are always going to come up short there... especially if our coach isn't known as someone who likes to recruit.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

6 years from being #1 in the country and we're hoping to win 2 damn games.

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Hard to take this comment seriously when you fail to mention that we're playing an all SEC schedule.

Makes you seem like you have an agenda.

I'll make a bet with you that we win more than 2 games. You in?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Hard to take this comment seriously when you fail to mention that we're playing an all SEC schedule.

Makes you seem like you have an agenda.

I'll make a bet with you that we win more than 2 games. You in?

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That a good bet right there. Looking at our schedule, 2 more wins is about all I see. 3 max unless Will lights up the scoreboard.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Y'all calling for will to start might wanna wait till vandy. Bama might break him in half

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If we're being honest with ourselves, Rogers is playing against Bama regardless. If Costello starts he will be injured or the game will be over before halftime, so Will is going to play versus that Bama D. I fear that Costello is going to get badly hurt...he is so slow to make decisions and wears concrete boots. And he clearly has an arm issue or is THAT timid, bc his passes are lollipops since LSU. I've never seen anything like it.

I love the zip on Will's throws, even against the zone. Costello hasn't thrown a ball with zip on it yet against the zone. Will has a little more mobility and seems to have the team's buy-in. He's still playing behind horrendous OL play, so he can only be so good...but you have to roll with him at this point and let Costello be the experienced backup.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

That a good bet right there. Looking at our schedule, 2 more wins is about all I see. 3 max unless Will lights up the scoreboard.

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Wait... 3 MORE wins? Gotta love that Miss State optimism. Lolz!

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

We will be vastly improved if he starts Rodgers.

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Can we start getting the kid's name correct, please? It's not Rodgers with a "d" like the guy in Green Bay. It's ROGERS without a "d"... like Buck Rogers, the tv character...

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Wait... 3 MORE wins? Gotta love that Miss State optimism. Lolz!

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I like to look at the glass as "overflowing" ****

Seriously tho ... Not sure I see any what I would call guaranteed wins left and that includes Vandy. We probably win 2 of remainder tho. Bama and Ga gonna curb stomp us.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

1) You were one of the ones this past week complaining Moorhead played Hill over Aeris.
2) I?m glad you brought up Hev again. You are clueless. If it was up to you, we would?ve signed Nik Hogan at Northwest Rankin two years ago because he was a 4* at one time but can?t get on the field at Tulane. Only gets credit for Jackson? Yeah he didn?t scout and find Jenkins, Rankin, Williams, Tyre Phillips, Blaine Clausell, and Dylan Day had a run. In fact, Hevesy, after we lost to Florida, wrote everyone of our starters a note and sent it to them telling them what they did exactly wrong and what to fix. It?s no wonder Greg Eiland started playing like crap AFTER Hev left. Stick to your band analytics, clown.

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The "clown" is you- yet again making up things that I allegedly "said". So I'll invite you AGAIN to link where I ever said ANYTHING about Nik Hogan or saying Moorhead should start Aeris over Hill. Guess what? You won't.

And based on how Hevesy's recruits have performed the past four years- including Eiland maybe you should put your Hevesy love letter down. What's hilarious is I actually represented MSU- and you just wish you did and all you have to hang your hat on is some camp with the biggest asshole in MSU history where any slapdick whose parents has money could participate. How sad to be a washed up wannabe.