After drinking a Coke

I think we're going to be OK. Leach may not change his offense- but he will change the players that run it. Costello isn't going to work. I can't see us going forward with him for this year. Leach is already playing Will Rogers and I think we probably roll with him going forward. That said I'm not ruling Shrader totally out either. You get SEC experience with Shrader- but Rogers has more Air Raid experience. I've casually followed Leach for awhile now and his offensive system- and it is extremely QB driven. The QB makes most of the calls or checks- Leach gives them a formation and a suggested play but the QB changes it based on what he sees. That's what I think most of the problem is- Costello doesn't get the system totally or how to attack a Cover-8. That's also why I think we roll with Rogers going forward.

I also think we will re-work the offensive line. Dolla Bill just isn't ready and he is getting beat way too much. I think we go with Cross, Parker, Jackson, Sharp, and then move Eiland to tackle.

I have no idea who he plans on purging- but if Kylin is one of those guys it's going to be a PR nightmare for MSU. If Kylin is a problem I would probably just not start him. We'll probably kick off a receiver or two I bet.

The good news is our defense has been surprisingly good- one of the best in the league probably. And that's good news because if we can find a way to average 28 PPG on offense which would be probably the worst in Leach's career we'll still have a good year. 21 might even win us a lot. We also have a pretty good special teams unit so far as well. I think 28 PPG may be doable with some changes as I mentioned above.

Hail State and sorry if I offended anyone with my language. I love you mother****ers!

Sorry I stopped at coke.. I was thining a shot of coke and glass of bourbon.

you my boy... but this f8cking sucks.

Thanks man! We'll get it figured out. I just don't want to rebuild. Better days ahead for sure.

I don’t want us to ever play in Lexington again. Bad omen for sure. Our run defense has been a surprise, but we are still atrocious in the secondary, and will get that exploited next week, in the worst of ways. Kentucky is not any good judging from tonight's effort, and I dont ever recall losing to a Kentucky team this uninspiring. We helped their coach tonight for sure.

Whoever is stirring it up in the locker room has to be gone. Simply cutting playing time and leaving them there will only make them worse.

It's funny how the board has totally forgotten their own pre-season common sense. Most people predicted .500 or less. Most people expected growing pains. Many believed we didn't have the WR needed to run the system as we were continually reminded we've had the worst WR in the SEC for 3 seasons. Many people said "Leach doesn't change, we won't run, it will take time but he knows what he's doing". Lots of people cautioned that JoMios culture and the Leach culture would clash. Many were calling this season "Season 0" or basically an extended training camp because of COVID and all the crazy - and all the hurdles it put into learning the Air Raid.

Well here we are. All those things are coming to pass - and we have a bunch of bleeding ******* ready to fire everyone.
It's comical. Remember the expectations that most of you set prior to 3 weeks ago, and you will be much better off and more realistic.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

It's funny how the board has totally forgotten their own pre-season common sense. Most people predicted .500 or less. Most people expected growing pains. Many believed we didn't have the WR needed to run the system as we were continually reminded we've had the worst WR in the SEC for 3 seasons. Many people said "Leach doesn't change, we won't run, it will take time but he knows what he's doing". Lots of people cautioned that JoMios culture and the Leach culture would clash. Many were calling this season "Season 0" or basically an extended training camp because of COVID and all the crazy - and all the hurdles it put into learning the Air Raid.

Well here we are. All those things are coming to pass - and we have a bunch of bleeding ******* ready to fire everyone.
It's comical. Remember the expectations that most of you set prior to 3 weeks ago, and you will be much better off and more realistic.

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Expectations were to look better on O, beat Ark and UK, not go backwards. Yes firing now is not the answer, just people's emotions out of control.

Can we talk about how well the defense is playing, because the offense sucked mule dick yesterday.

Leach is our Emory "The Memory"

The wind has gotten sucked out of the air in Starkvegas! As Howard Cosell yelled at the Ali/Foreman fight when Foreman was being knocked out, "It's Over"!!!

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Leach is our Emory "The Memory"

The wind has gotten sucked out of the air in Starkvegas! As Howard Cosell yelled at the Ali/Foreman fight when Foreman was being knocked out, "It's Over"!!!

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I thought about Bellard going 3-8 in year one to be honest with you.

I'm not a coach but why do the OL have such wide splits between each man?

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I thought about Bellard going 3-8 in year one to be honest with you.

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Both are very hard headed, both had success at a new "offense", but being in the Sec is different, faster, bigger, quicker, and more athletic players with way more better overall Coaches with a passionate fan base. This league ain't for "softness"!

Most everyone?s expectation was 2-1 before season started... there were some 1-2... it looks like Vegas prediction of 2.5 wins for the season was spot on...

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Most everyone?s expectation was 2-1 before season started... there were some 1-2... it looks like Vegas prediction of 2.5 wins for the season was spot on...

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Media doesn't wear "Maroon Glasses". Not sure we will win another Sec game this year, we may be headed to what Arkansas went thru.

"Drinking" coke

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It's funny how the board has totally forgotten their own pre-season common sense. Most people predicted .500 or less. Most people expected growing pains. Many believed we didn't have the WR needed to run the system as we were continually reminded we've had the worst WR in the SEC for 3 seasons. Many people said "Leach doesn't change, we won't run, it will take time but he knows what he's doing". Lots of people cautioned that JoMios culture and the Leach culture would clash. Many were calling this season "Season 0" or basically an extended training camp because of COVID and all the crazy - and all the hurdles it put into learning the Air Raid.

Well here we are. All those things are coming to pass - and we have a bunch of bleeding ******* ready to fire everyone.
It's comical. Remember the expectations that most of you set prior to 3 weeks ago, and you will be much better off and more realistic.

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I wouldn't be so worried if ark and Kentucky didn't shut us down just like Washington did leach. Keep in mind, ark and Kentucky gave up over 30 per game in other 2 sec games.

We'll be OK. With better execution we are 3-0 right now. I just (foolishly?) thought we wouldn't have transitional pains, but we do.

Leach has to figure out what to do when the opposing team goes to a 3 and 8 defense. He doesn't seem to have a clue right now, except to throw little short passes.

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Leach has to figure out what to do when the opposing team goes to a 3 and 8 defense. He doesn't seem to have a clue right now, except to throw little short passes.

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He's faced that defense his whole career. We just aren't executing competently against it. Any SEC OL should be able to block a 3-man rush, but we can't.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

It's funny how the board has totally forgotten their own pre-season common sense. Most people predicted .500 or less. Most people expected growing pains. Many believed we didn't have the WR needed to run the system as we were continually reminded we've had the worst WR in the SEC for 3 seasons. Many people said "Leach doesn't change, we won't run, it will take time but he knows what he's doing". Lots of people cautioned that JoMios culture and the Leach culture would clash. Many were calling this season "Season 0" or basically an extended training camp because of COVID and all the crazy - and all the hurdles it put into learning the Air Raid.

Well here we are. All those things are coming to pass - and we have a bunch of bleeding ******* ready to fire everyone.
It's comical. Remember the expectations that most of you set prior to 3 weeks ago, and you will be much better off and more realistic.

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Thank you for a great post. How short is our memory.

I have said it all my life, People are idiots.

I guess in my mind the question is, does Leach believe in the air raid so much that he figures it's better to stick with it in its purest form even though he doesn't have the QB to run it, and possibly go 2-8? Or does he decide to change things up to get a few more wins this season and then go back to the unadulterated air raid next season with either a different QB or a more experienced Rogers? It'll be interesting to see what he decides. Personally, I'd have to change a few things regarding offensive philosophy for the rest of this year and then see where we are next year. I can't see the point in Leach beating his head against the wall the rest of this year just to prove a point regarding his football ideology. If he sincerely believes he has the right quarterback on his current roster then that's one thing, but I don't see it unless Rogers is a very quick learner. There's also the risk of Rogers losing his confidence if he has too many picks because his coach won't run the ball against a 3 man front.

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I guess in my mind the question is, does Leach believe in the air raid so much that he figures it's better to stick with it in its purest form even though he doesn't have the QB to run it, and possibly go 2-8? Or does he decide to change things up to get a few more wins this season and then go back to the unadulterated air raid next season with either a different QB or a more experienced Rogers? It'll be interesting to see what he decides. Personally, I'd have to change a few things regarding offensive philosophy for the rest of this year and then see where we are next year. I can't see the point in Leach beating his head against the wall the rest of this year just to prove a point regarding his football ideology. If he sincerely believes he has the right quarterback on his current roster then that's one thing, but I don't see it unless Rogers is a very quick learner. There's also the risk of Rogers losing his confidence if he has too many picks because his coach won't run the ball against a 3 man front.

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Rogers ran the Air Raid in high school and we are going to run the Air Raid with Leach so it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to try to run something else. We're likely going to be much better in the long run trying to figure the offense out now with our QB going forward regardless of won/loss record because we also have a lot of young players that are going to be in this system awhile too that obviously need to learn it as well rather than waste time doing a one off offense that we're going to junk at the end of the year anyway.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Rogers ran the Air Raid in high school and we are going to run the Air Raid with Leach so it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to try to run something else. We're likely going to be much better in the long run trying to figure the offense out now with our QB going forward regardless of won/loss record because we also have a lot of young players that are going to be in this system awhile too that obviously need to learn it as well rather than waste time doing a one off offense that we're going to junk at the end of the year anyway.

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Thanks for sharing some common sense here. Dead on.

Tigahs and 9 here we come

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Originally Posted by Joebob

I guess in my mind the question is, does Leach believe in the air raid so much that he figures it's better to stick with it in its purest form even though he doesn't have the QB to run it, and possibly go 2-8? Or does he decide to change things up to get a few more wins this season and then go back to the unadulterated air raid next season with either a different QB or a more experienced Rogers? It'll be interesting to see what he decides. Personally, I'd have to change a few things regarding offensive philosophy for the rest of this year and then see where we are next year. I can't see the point in Leach beating his head against the wall the rest of this year just to prove a point regarding his football ideology. If he sincerely believes he has the right quarterback on his current roster then that's one thing, but I don't see it unless Rogers is a very quick learner. There's also the risk of Rogers losing his confidence if he has too many picks because his coach won't run the ball against a 3 man front.

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He's not going to do anything outside of his system, but especially not in year 1. And he probably shouldn't. We need WRs learning to break off routes against the zone and to do it consistently enough for QBs to trust they are going to do it, and we need the QB to throw it to where they are going to break off their route.. We're going to try to execute that, because it's a basic skill that has to be mastered in order for the offense to work going forward. Trying to adjust because we can 't do that would jsut be giving up on the system.

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He's not going to do anything outside of his system, but especially not in year 1. And he probably shouldn't. We need WRs learning to break off routes against the zone and to do it consistently enough for QBs to trust they are going to do it, and we need the QB to throw it to where they are going to break off their route.. We're going to try to execute that, because it's a basic skill that has to be mastered in order for the offense to work going forward. Trying to adjust because we can 't do that would jsut be giving up on the system.

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As annoying as they are, the announcers talked about this over and over Saturday. Our WR are not applying what they are being taught. No one is breaking off and sitting down in the zone, they just keep running routes. This is where not having a spring camp and not having a traditional summer is killing us.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Rogers ran the Air Raid in high school and we are going to run the Air Raid with Leach so it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to try to run something else. We're likely going to be much better in the long run trying to figure the offense out now with our QB going forward regardless of won/loss record because we also have a lot of young players that are going to be in this system awhile too that obviously need to learn it as well rather than waste time doing a one off offense that we're going to junk at the end of the year anyway.

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Will did not run the pure air raid in HS. There is no QB on the roster than has ran it. There?s a difference in running air raid concepts and going full Leach