Extended Highlight: We Left at Least 14 Points on the Field

Just watched this extended highlight and we conservatively left 14 points on the field while losing the turnover battle 4-1 until the Hail Mary pick.

I forgot how wide open Williams was short in the endzone when Costello threw to the back guy. Also the miscommunication snap was on a drive where we were rolling.

And BTW, I think Shavers is about to EXPLODE. Rewatching this, he?s our most physical WR. He?s going to make some huge plays this year. The way he lowers his shoulder on the LSU DB is big boy stuff

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Shavers is what Stephen Guidry was suppose to be.

Shavers made Ricks sit down lol. That’s after Ricks acted like a douche intercepting the ball over Payton and slinging the ball on the ground and taking his helmet off. I was waiting on a celebration penalty but of course there wasn’t one.

Shavers’ little move he put on that DB at the LOS on his TD catch was cold. He’s just getting his feet wet. The more game reps he gets, the more I think he’ll get targeted. But S/O to Mitchell for stepping up his game after being put 2nd team. I’d go Osirus outside, Payton and Williams inside, and then Shavers outside on the other side. Have Heath 2nd string until he gets acclimated & he’ll still get plenty of opportunities. Once Heath, Tulu, and Walley get acclimated and settled in, this could get crazy cause those 3 guys didn’t do much of anything yesterday.

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Originally Posted by ZedFedder

Shavers is what Stephen Guidry was suppose to be.

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He’s way more physical than Guidry

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

Shavers made Ricks sit down lol. That’s after Ricks acted like a douche intercepting the ball over Payton and slinging the ball on the ground and taking his helmet off. I was waiting on a celebration penalty but of course there wasn’t one.

Shavers’ little move he put on that DB at the LOS on his TD catch was cold. He’s just getting his feet wet. The more game reps he gets, the more I think he’ll get targeted. But S/O to Mitchell for stepping up his game after being put 2nd team. I’d go Osirus outside, Payton and Williams inside, and then Shavers outside on the other side. Have Heath 2nd string until he gets acclimated & he’ll still get plenty of opportunities. Once Heath, Tulu, and Walley get acclimated and settled in, this could get crazy cause those 3 guys didn’t do much of anything yesterday.

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And Cam Gardner. Who ever thought that guy would contribute? Yet here we are

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

And Cam Gardner. Who ever thought that guy would contribute? Yet here we are

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We’re seeing the fruits of actual coaching. That’s when you know the previous regime SUCKED. Guys start popping up that you know their names but you can’t believe they’re contributing. Cam had 2 big catches. This WR room is much better and deeper than anyone wanted to predict or could predict because of the coaching they’re getting from Spurrier Jr and Nichol.

Mitchell, Payton, Shavers, Williams, and Cam all had great to solid games. And we expect Heath, Tulu, and Walley to break out at some point. This is gonna be FUN. And just wait for all the WR and QB talent we’re about to start bringing in.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

He’s way more physical than Guidry

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So is my Mom.

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

We’re seeing the fruits of actual coaching. That’s when you know the previous regime SUCKED. Guys start popping up that you know their names but you can’t believe they’re contributing. Cam had 2 big catches. This WR room is much better and deeper than anyone wanted to predict or could predict because of the coaching they’re getting from Spurrier Jr and Nichol.

Mitchell, Payton, Shavers, Williams, and Cam all had great to solid games. And we expect Heath, Tulu, and Walley to break out at some point. This is gonna be FUN. And just wait for all the WR and QB talent we’re about to start bringing in.

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You're right. It's a combination of accountability (Guidry) and playing more than three receivers. Williams and Payton have performed even under Moorhead- but they were rarely rotated into the games. It was because of Joe playing favorites and his silly "best five" philosophy that is up there with 1A/1B in stupidity. And someone please try to convince me that Aeris Williams wasn't among our "best five" offensive players in 2018. Or Nick Gibson last year for that matter. What a waste of talent.

As it is I'd like to see the guys you are talking about getting involved more in our offense along with Shrader. It may take a few games but eventually I think that will occur. And then we need to clean up the turnovers. I also think that will happen because it was our first game. This offense would have put up 50+ on LSU if we hold onto the ball.

Instead we only got 44**.

Here's something no ones mentioned. The no name walk-on safety Londin Craft actually played a pretty good game. Guy is quick, hustled to the ball and hit pretty dang good. Coaching is the difference guys. We got us a HC and a staff of good ones!

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

So is my Mom.

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Hahaha!!!!! Gold.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Here's something no ones mentioned. The no name walk-on safety Londin Craft actually played a pretty good game. Guy is quick, hustled to the ball and hit pretty dang good. Coaching is the difference guys. We got us a HC and a staff of good ones!

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Yeah, the folks having a heart attack over that were definitely wrong. This staff is light years ahead of Moorhead's.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

So is my Mom.

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Here's something no ones mentioned. The no name walk-on safety Londin Craft actually played a pretty good game. Guy is quick, hustled to the ball and hit pretty dang good. Coaching is the difference guys. We got us a HC and a staff of good ones!

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I liked him at safety. He's solid and for someone to walk on to a SEC team and start- that's going to get my respect. Walk-ons can't work out with the team in the offseason which means he probably had to pay a personal trainer on his own. That's one reason why you don't see a ton of walk-ons starting.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Here's something no ones mentioned. The no name walk-on safety Londin Craft actually played a pretty good game. Guy is quick, hustled to the ball and hit pretty dang good. Coaching is the difference guys. We got us a HC and a staff of good ones!

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I was about to say something. He’s a hell of a good looking walk on.

The key here is that talent is great, but playing fundamentally sound football is way more important. Get players that will be in the right spot & tackle first & then worry about how talented they are.

After what I saw in week 1, I’m on the cusp of trusting this coaching staff at an extremely high level

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

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Watch your mouth!**

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Yeah, the folks having a heart attack over that were definitely wrong. This staff is light years ahead of Moorhead's.

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It’s hard to blame them.

I continuously stated when everyone was making win/loss predictions, that we really didn’t know two things: how much tutor gate hurt & how poorly coached we were the past two years.

99% of the time when you make a preseason prognostication, you take last year’s record, adjust for new players, & look at your schedule and that is usually fairly accurate.

However, when you’re coached like crap and have a tutor gate situation, it’s a mystery because you never knew what you had to begin with.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

It’s hard to blame them.

I continuously stated when everyone was making win/loss predictions, that we really didn’t know two things: how much tutor gate hurt & how poorly coached we were the past two years.

99% of the time when you make a preseason prognostication, you take last year’s record, adjust for new players, & look at your schedule and that is usually fairly accurate.

However, when you’re coached like crap and have a tutor gate situation, it’s a mystery because you never knew what you had to begin with.

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This probably falls under coaching- but I wanted to specifically mention S&C as well. If you're out of shape it's going to level out the playing field against someone like K-State whom we should have beat last year and it's going to make it where you have basically zero shot against the Alabama's and LSU's of the world. Or on the road in the SEC for that matter. We did beat Arkansas but we gave up a ton of points to them.

I knew that kind of stuff makes a difference. But it's hard to totally quantify it because we don't know how bad it is to start with and most teams don't have those issues so there isn't a lot of samples to compare to. Plus there are so many factors involved. Like Dan in 2009 we could see the improvement from Croom- but it really only translated into one more win on the field because we had major issues at QB.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Yeah, the folks having a heart attack over that were definitely wrong. This staff is light years ahead of Moorhead's.

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Of course if we don?t take care of the assistants pay wise they won?t be here long. IMO this is one of the biggest keys in MSU ever taking the next step up. It is one of the reasons Dabo has been so successful at Clemson. They don?t have to hire a new DC every year because Venerables is locked up.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I was about to say something. He?s a hell of a good looking walk on.

The key here is that talent is great, but playing fundamentally sound football is way more important. Get players that will be in the right spot & tackle first & then worry about how talented they are.

After what I saw in week 1, I?m on the cusp of trusting this coaching staff at an extremely high level

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Yes sir! And the thing about Leach he could care less if you're a 5 star or a walk on he's gonna put the best player who has earned it on the field. He don't care about nobody's press clippings.

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Of course if we don?t take care of the assistants pay wise they won?t be here long. IMO this is one of the biggest keys in MSU ever taking the next step up. It is one of the reasons Dabo has been so successful at Clemson. They don?t have to hire a new DC every year because Venerables is locked up.

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I agree. But didn't we do this when Grantham was here?

But as LSU showed with Aranda even if you make someone the top paid guy more often than not they'll take a head coaching job because they want to move up in their career. I know Cohen has spoken to Venables when we have had head coaching openings and he hasn't returned interest. So it can go both ways.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

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Y'all wanna start a bidding war?**

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Y'all wanna start a bidding war?**

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Y'all are cracking me up.

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Y'all wanna start a bidding war?**

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Awesome!

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Y'all wanna start a bidding war?**

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HA! Nice.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

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I always found her gentle, for a gal her size.

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Originally Posted by IMissJack

Of course if we don?t take care of the assistants pay wise they won?t be here long. IMO this is one of the biggest keys in MSU ever taking the next step up. It is one of the reasons Dabo has been so successful at Clemson. They don?t have to hire a new DC every year because Venerables is locked up.

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Venables would have been gone for years if he wanted a HC gig. That has more to do with it than his DC salary.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Venables would have been gone for years if he wanted a HC gig. That has more to do with it than his DC salary.

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yep.

Not everybody is a HC. Some people are just great assistants.

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I always found her gentle, for a gal her size.

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You know when Todd was a kid he thought his mom was in the Navy. All those sailors coming over just confused him.


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Originally Posted by Todd4State

So is my Mom.

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Of course she's 6'3", 250.
And runs a 4.5 forty.

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I agree. But didn't we do this when Grantham was here?

But as LSU showed with Aranda even if you make someone the top paid guy more often than not they'll take a head coaching job because they want to move up in their career. I know Cohen has spoken to Venables when we have had head coaching openings and he hasn't returned interest. So it can go both ways.

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We have learned to open up the pocket book on coordinators, if warranted. It's the other assistants where we cut corners. And it's not really cutting corners. Realistically, we shouldn't have the highest paid football staff in college football, so we have to be smart about spending money. I think we probably have the right balance now. We'll pay the right head coach or coordinators and we're going to have to trust them to manage other assistants that move on to advance their career, which they largely will do regardless of money. IT just hurts when they take the same level job at another program because they'll pay more.

Now if the Pirate cruises to 8-2 this year, we might should pony up for all the assistants Leach trusts. At that point, we'll have a pretty good indication we are getting our money's worth. And Leach I don't think is going to ask to be the highest paid HC, so I think we'll be able to justify ponying up for the assistants he says are worth it.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

We have learned to open up the pocket book on coordinators, if warranted. It's the other assistants where we cut corners. And it's not really cutting corners. Realistically, we shouldn't have the highest paid football staff in college football, so we have to be smart about spending money. I think we probably have the right balance now. We'll pay the right head coach or coordinators and we're going to have to trust them to manage other assistants that move on to advance their career, which they largely will do regardless of money. IT just hurts when they take the same level job at another program because they'll pay more.

Now if the Pirate cruises to 8-2 this year, we might should pony up for all the assistants Leach trusts. At that point, we'll have a pretty good indication we are getting our money's worth. And Leach I don't think is going to ask to be the highest paid HC, so I think we'll be able to justify ponying up for the assistants he says are worth it.

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IIRCC - our salary pool was larger than WSU's - and most of the offensive guys came with Leach, so we are probably pretty good for a couple of years. We HAVE to keep some stability on the defensive side of the ball. I would love for Arnett and this core group to stay 3-4 years and build.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

IIRCC - our salary pool was larger than WSU's - and most of the offensive guys came with Leach, so we are probably pretty good for a couple of years. We HAVE to keep some stability on the defensive side of the ball. I would love for Arnett and this core group to stay 3-4 years and build.

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I think we have learned our lesson for DC. We are great testing ground for DCs. If a DC comes here and is successful, they're going to be attractive to blue blood programs. The only way to not lose them constantly is to pay them enough that blue bloods can't easily poach them. If they decide they want them and will pay to get them, that's fine. But they aren't going to open up the vault to come get somebody after two years of success here. If they do it after four, that's fine, but at that point, any successful DC here will probably be thinking head coach as their next option.

Right now we're paying Arnette $900k, and realistically probably a little over $1M if he is doing well enough that other teams will want him. That's basically middle of the SEC. IF he does well this year, we're going to have to get ready to pay him in the $1.5M range. Maybe not immediately b/c COVID might suppress the market for a year or so, but if we have two good years of defense, we'll need to be there and maybe north of that.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Here's something no ones mentioned. The no name walk-on safety Londin Craft actually played a pretty good game. Guy is quick, hustled to the ball and hit pretty dang good. Coaching is the difference guys. We got us a HC and a staff of good ones!

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Good safety...and an even better local, IPA brew!

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I think we have learned our lesson for DC. We are great testing ground for DCs. If a DC comes here and is successful, they're going to be attractive to blue blood programs. The only way to not lose them constantly is to pay them enough that blue bloods can't easily poach them. If they decide they want them and will pay to get them, that's fine. But they aren't going to open up the vault to come get somebody after two years of success here. If they do it after four, that's fine, but at that point, any successful DC here will probably be thinking head coach as their next option.

Right now we're paying Arnette $900k, and realistically probably a little over $1M if he is doing well enough that other teams will want him. That's basically middle of the SEC. IF he does well this year, we're going to have to get ready to pay him in the $1.5M range. Maybe not immediately b/c COVID might suppress the market for a year or so, but if we have two good years of defense, we'll need to be there and maybe north of that.

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I think it is most important to maintain our DC and our passing game coordinator (outside of HC, of course). Consistency at the DC position is huge for a teams success. It's incredible that our defensive unit has maintained it's average to higher output over the past 6 years with so many changes at DC.

I will say this about Guidry. He reps MSU well. After his playing days he rode in a parade decked out in his MSU uniform and he was on twitter pumped about our win. It's more than I will say about some of our former players who even got drafted last year while using MSU to get there. Guidry is a bulldog that gave it what he had. If he would have had Mike Leach instead of Moorhead he may be in the NFL right now instead of opting out of a practice squad role. I don't really have a problem with anyone complaining about his play. Just thought I would throw that out there and give him some cred for being all dawg.