Big 10 meeting to possibly cancel football season.
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Big 10 meeting to possibly cancel football season.
He has went out on a limb for weeks now very adamant there will be no college football season.
May be straw that breaks camel back...if so, other conference dominos will start to fall
As I’ve stated before they need to push it till spring. Is what it is. There will be a lot of college towns that won’t recover or will be a long time recovering if it happens. Lots of people and families out of jobs.
A full season with fans in the spring would be better for small college towns, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
The current fall plan will bring in far less revenue than a typical season.
Not sure why folks think things will be different in spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
We won't have a vaccine, this virus has passed through less than 2% of the population (even if you think it's more it's not anything close to what would be needed to get back to normal), it has the ability to mutate and we don't know what that means for vaccine effectiveness, and we don't have measures to mitigate spread in large groups of people. Add to that the fact that football players themselves won't be in a bubble and I've got no clue why folks just automatically think the spring is just a sure fire guarantee for things to all of a sudden become normal again.
If football goes away this year, it's not coming back until we've got a better understanding of the virus. This has nothing to do with people and places (I guess it does somewhat because people are still not taking precautions seriously). It has most everything to do with the virus. We don't know enough about it to protect enough people to get on with life normally. Until we do, it's hard imagining that we move forward much beyond where we are right now.
I somehow doubt there will be an effective, safe vaccine by spring. The MAC just canceled their football. Covid-19 might be the straw that breaks the back of sports, period.
This is so stupid. Just play ball. Those players that want to play can play. Those that do not can relinquish their scholarships. Those available scholarships can be given to players that do want to play. It really is that simple.
At my office, we have continued to operate every single day this year. We recently had a covid positive case by an employee. That employee stayed home for 14 days and is now back at work and doing awesome.
Admittedly, I had one employee in mid-March express some concern about coming to work and that they might die from COVID. I politely explained that we will be working, and if they can't work then maybe this isn't the job for them. Some think that sounds cold, but if you are a lineman for Entergy and are afraid of electricity (it can be dangerous), then you learn how to manage the fear and be careful, or you find a different job.
A lot of players are looking for a free education without having to do anything in my opinion.
Edited to add that I'm sure someone will say "it's life and death we are talking about here." My answer to that is that there is a reason that dangerous jobs pay more than non-dangerous jobs. Off-shore oil rig work pays more than burger flipper at McDonalds. Free humans choose which job they want. Tell the players that there will be football, and they can make a choice on whether they want to play.
Most college presidents are liberal academics who are scared of a spider and need a safe space because "words hurt."
If they cancel the season:
1. They are ****ing stupid.
2. I hope every single media member that gloats gets fired because there are no sports to cover.
I agree, dangerous jobs pay more money.
College football players make.......... well shit there goes your argument.
Spring has nothing to do with a vaccine in my opinion. I would hope there are better treatments at that point and it would put us on the other side of flu season. That’s about it.
Vaccine is likely to be only 50% effective. So what then? Funny these guys don't care if the kids go to class & campus with 20,000 other kids, but they're shutting everything down over a couple hundred kids that play sports on those campuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
The NFL is going to set ratings records.
There are not going to be sports this school year. Nothing will be different in spring
You beat me to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
No way could they tell these students that if they don't play during a pandemic, they won't have a scholarship. That is insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
So now playing football is a certain death sentence from a virus with a 98% survival rate.
I'm an essential worker. I've been working through this since day one. I know one person personally that has had COVID. It was a bad cold for few days and that was it. I see dozens of patients Monday through Friday. I've never had a symptom, a fever, or a pain. You'd think being in the medical field I'd be surrounded by people that had been infected or know more people that had been infected.
The fact that people can even think that during this is messed up. I'm still shocked at the ignorance about this virus. People don't understand that this is not just about the players catching it. It's about them potentially passing it to someone else and us overwhelming our health care system to the point where people can't get the treatment or resources necessary to successfully combat the symptoms.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Yes the majority of people aren't getting dangerously ill. But let's just say we changed nothing about our habits in March and we all just let everyone do whatever the hell they wanted. The healthcare system would be in shambles and there would be a lot more people dead or worse off than they would have been. We didn't have the medical infrastructure to handle what that would have looked like.
I still don't understand how people don't see that. But let's make kids give up their scholarships because they are concerned about how a virus might could damage them or their family because I need my football fix. No one on this board can say for certain who on our football team or in their family could be the one that ends up in the hospital from this. But then we are the ones that go out and say make them play or they can choose to give up their scholarship.
Sorry but if you think like that you are a crap human being. And I'll continue to say that I'm a conservative white male educator saying this. Folks continuously bring politics into this. Screw that crap. This is common sense. Football and education are not at important as health and human safety. Ever.
I am an essential worker and I agree. It's time to figure out how to live with this rather than just hide behind a mask for the rest of our lives. Well over 98% of the people- some who have been on a vent and have has the worst cases of this have survived. Also my hospital is currently trialing a vaccine as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
I don't see how you can't see that we have had multiple spikes and literally the entire country come into contact with someone who has had COVID and our health care system never was overwhelmed across the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
That's why the newest govt stimulus needs to include something for businesses in towns dependent upon events at sports venues to strive/survive. But no, there has to be millions $$$ given to "the arts", PBS, Smithsonian Institute, Kennedy Center, and a bunch of other entities that mismanaged their resources and bilk the govt for emergency bailouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walkerhill
Maybe we can just have a virtual season, you know just let head coaches play each other on PlayStation, Nintendo or whatever game system is out there(only half kidding)!
If you think the entire country came into contact with COVID then you don't have this right in your mind. You wouldn't have anyone else getting sick if we literally all came in contact with it. It would be done with. Think of the hundreds of thousands of kids who were sent home and not exposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
What you need to do in your mind is think about everyone who got sick and hospitalized between about May and the end of July and shove all those numbers together in about a 2 week period and tell me if the healthcare system could have handled that. The number of beds, ventilators, access to treatment (which we didn't have at the time). It would have shut us down completely as a country. Plenty of ICUs have been at 80% or more with us mitigating. Uncontrolled spread on the level we've seen the last 2 months would have absolutely crippled us.
Shocks me that people don't see how that would have played out and how that ultimately would have affected normal hospital operations for general stuff.
Looks like it's time to move this to the eternal covid thread.
Your two week scenario is bullshit because that's not how it would have worked even if we went full Sweden.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Also there's a difference between come into contact with and contract a virus. I've come into contact with a lot of people with and known to have it and apparently even had it myself. We have this thing that the media hasn't heard of called an immunity system that helps ward off diseases.
Yeah! I'll take on Karen Wolken and run it up on his ass in PlayStation. Ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Get him, Todd!Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I'm honest to god just sick of almost all the CFB media seemingly pushing for no season. Like have some 17 positivity about things. Whether it's Thamel, Forde, Wolken, etc. it's just like their giddy at the thought of no season. They haven't once tweeted a positive thing since all this started. First it was reporting on the positive cases when players returned to campus, now that there aren't but one or two testing positive they've moved on to the next depressing and negative story.
Y'all help me out. I really haven't kept up much but why the hell would the CFB media be so negative and not want a season to cover? Seriously! I don't get it.
Tell that to my student loans which they don't have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
Because ESPN, USA Today, and others are left wing and they still have Trump Derangement Syndrome.Quote:
Originally Posted by BHildreth3
Don't forget all the millionaires that got a big chunk of the Cares Act.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
I would like to know your scenario as to what would have happened to the healthcare/hospital system had we done nothing and just continued on as normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
From your posts I've seen it sounds like that's about where you are at. I would like to know what the hospitals would have looked like with no masks and no social distancing and school still in session March through May.
MEDIA! MEDIA! MEDIA! Here's an actual picture of Todd4State...
https://i.postimg.cc/76hz1VN2/IMG-0810.jpg
Did all those places receive stimulus money? The Smithsonian Institution museums don't charge admission, so really shouldn't be noticing much difference (maybe in the gift shop) in income. I know the US Space & Rocket Center (a Smithsonial affiliate) didn't receive a penney, even though they're an educational institution as much as anything (think Space Camp). In fact, they have an successful ongoing fund-raising drive to keep the place open, and it's the #1 tourist attraction in Alabama, other than the beaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
I don't have any trouble with providing money to the arts or PBS. Art museums serve a vital function, as does PBS. I'm not sure PBS is subject to much lost income due to Covid though.
I'd much rather those places get money than to give to to cities that condoned, and even seemed to encourage, riots and arson of businesses and public buildings. Let the cities pay the bills they allowed to accrue.
These players are just as likely to get Covid with or without football. Probably safer by playing football since they are going to be tested so often.
Flea flicker on Karen up 70-0. It's coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
It's exactly the same as message board culture. It's more about "I'm right and you're not" to them. The problem is they don't leave any room for discourse or to have an opinion other than their own. And if someone has a different opinion than you are terrible person who doesn't care about people and are stupid moron. The media will also be the first ones begging people to feel sorry for them because they got laid off for ironically "being right".Quote:
Originally Posted by BHildreth3
And it's not just college football- Adam Wainwright called out a reporter for either leaking info before the Cardinals knew it or for being straight up incorrect.
March through May? Yeah I think we did the right thing then. But we're in August now. Bear in mind I'm on the COVID team where I work- we started it this month kind of officially. I can tell you we treat the disease better now than we did. We use high flow oxygen as much as we can to avoid ventilator use and have been VERY successful at doing it. Which limited and basically eliminated the concern about running out of vents. We use Hydroxichloriquine and have had a lot of success with it when it is used early along with zinc. We use Remesdivir too. I can also tell you that my hospital is currently starting to trial a vaccine along several other hospitals so we'll see how that goes. I'm not sure if I will be able to find out the results on the vaccine because those people are going to be outpatient which is not where I am. We don't care about politics. WE care about people getting better.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
I can still tell you that the patients that I am seeing (all I see are inpatient in the hospital) are mostly still:
1. Morbidly obese
2. African American
3. Hispanic
4. Have multiple co-morbidities- like a history of stroke or something like that.
I have heard stories about that person that is 20-40 that was in perfect health that ended up on a vent. I don't doubt that happened- but I can also personally tell you I haven't seen one patient like that and I work at huge hospital that is bigger than any in Mississippi and I can also without a doubt tell you that is NOT the norm. The exception is still an exception even if it makes front page news.
College football players are extremely low risk because of their age and the fact that most of them outside of those that play for Moorhead are in good shape. It doesn't surprise me that a lineman would be hospitalized because they are more likely to be obese like the one guy from Indiana I believe. But that's one out of a sample size of how many Big 10 players? How many college football players?
Probably would be 1918 squared.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
What about the coach at Lafayette High School that just passed away due to COVID and was working with players last week during conditioning?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wreg.co...-covid-19/amp/
It isn't about being right or wrong, it's about making the best decision you can with the information you currently have.
I guess since he falls under #2 on your list, it is what it is right???
#agendaQuote:
Originally Posted by BHildreth3