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Originally Posted by msstate7
Do the players in the non-revenue producing sports (which is pretty much everything outside of CFB and men's basketball) want 50% of the debt those sports produce?
There is a story on ESPN about this. The story says it could include several 100 players. My guess, and it's only a guess, is that the removal of the COVID-19 waiver is what they really want.
?Prohibit Covid agreements waiving liability? hahahahahahhahaahahahahahahahah
PAC needs to double down and just cancel the season or let those that want to sit out do so. They want to split revenue, reduce staff salaries, and also carry no responsibility for anything. Riiiiiiiight.
If I ever have to negotiate for a job again my negotiation points will be:
1: all of the CEO’s and supervisors get salary cuts (why? Because yes)
2: all revenue generated by the company I get half of (even if I didn’t help earn it)
3: because I’ve decided to come work for you putting myself in a potentially dangerous situation I get to sue the company if I get hurt.
LOL, seriously. This is kind of embarrassing by the players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
USC football makes just over 60 million a year
50% of that is 30 million.
30 million dollars/125 players= 240,000 a year
So basically a million dollars for playing four years.
Yeah, that's not going to happen.
Hell, what's tuition and room and board at usc over 4 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
Obviously the players putting this together are not economics or math majors!
These players probably think they are democrats but they are acting like republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Their proposal is crazy on so many levels.
At this point I say honor their scholarship but hold it until they play again. In other words, you can choose to opt out of playing football this year but you won’t receive scholarship money or assistance. If you decide to play again next year then you can start back up and your scholarship will be honored. That is no more/no less than what happens to national guard members when activated. Their job is held for them (by law) but they don’t continue to get paid by their employer while they are out of work for a year on orders.
Either that or the players that put this together need to start talking sense because they look like complete imbeciles right now.
Those demands are missing all the money in unmarked bills and a private jet fueled for a non-extradition country.**
Somebody please remind me what the Pac12 is again?
The free market solution is that these players want to be professionals and unionized. They think UCLA and USC alumni will stop watching USC on Saturdays to watch USFL or XFL type games. They think Wealthy USC alumni will forget school ties, traditions, bands, team colors and rivals to watch better gladiators on the field.
Or the free market solution could be that USC pay the players and just forget the whole “student” charade and scholarship charade just pay salaries. They can play other potential U-21 professional schools.Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Baylor, etc. without scholarships, there is no title IX impact and they are no longer NCAA. They would just be paid employees like the landscapers, maintenance, and parking attendants.
For 4 years about $300,000 per player. Don’t forget all the 5 year players thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Talk about backfiring. Wonder if we interested.
Reminds me of when all those umpires sent in their resignations cause they thought they had leverage until mlb accepted them. Bunch of them never got their jobs back. Sometimes you just think you have the hammer lolQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I really want some admin guy to call their bluff and stand up to this ridiculousness! Enough is enough!
They have no idea what they're asking. 50% is hilarious.
This may help fill some of our holes on defense lol
Holy shit is all I can say. This thread is full of horrendous takes. Tote billionaires' water more why don't ya. Jesus Christ.
I swear some of you would have been against child labor laws. Hell you probably are. The anti-union rhetoric is pathetic. Without the players there is no product. Period. They are asking for half. Look at what professional sports leagues with shit unions get... yet these kids are the bad guys for wanting to be fairly compensated???
Seriously look in the mirror and ask yourself the question: "Will I ever be in the top 0.1% of wealth in this country?" When you realize that answer is "No." Then ask, "Why am i so worried about their gigantic stack slightly shrinking?". Then when you think to yourself its not right, ask yourself do you want to live in a democracy. When you say yes, ask yourself who you should care about more in a democracy... the 0.1% or 99.9%?
Its like you people would rather we have lost in 1776 and still operate under Monarchy's. The way you defend tbe rich who exploit the labor of the poor is just inherently un-American.
First off we are a republic not a pure democracy. Secondly, your hyperbole concerning the founding fathers and the war, have you read anything concerning their thoughts on economic system in that time? The answer is no obviously because the false rhetoric you are spewing.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Through all that non-sense you just typed, have you actually ran the actual numbers? Child labor laws when they are receiving $250-350,000 in free education that elevates them into making an additional $3 MIL over their lifetime, that a horrendous attempt of an example and a lie in every sense of that argument. A democracy in no way has a bearing on wealth distribution, socialistic economy or whatever else you are attempting to marry in a false argument. That ridiculous.
No matter what side of the debate you fall on for paying athletes off of total revenue, what they are asking doesn’t work financially. Not even close to working. Not to mention the millions of dollars of the athletic department expenses that go strictly to service their scholarships already. Or the debt that the department have to pay for facilities that athletes have for better room, board, etc. than most normal students. How about if they want a salary, that’s absolutely fine with me, but they have to pay for their school minus whatever grant money they receive. Just like every normal student. No more athletic scholarship. Each team can offer a salary to an athlete they want to sign but like the real world and real normal students, they have to use their salary toward their education, room, board, etc. Them getting an education that allows them to make $3 MIL more in their lifetime is an incredible benefit as well.
now I remember why I blocked that guy ... I can't believe so many on this board still respond to him
List for me the billionaires they are going after here.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
This!Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
They want all adminstrators and staff salaries greatly reduced? They realize that the majority of those adminstrators and staff make under $50k a year and devote their entire lives to their job. There is no summer vacation for them. Most of them work their fingers to the bone year-round, 12+ hours a day to make sure there is an athletic program.
What a bunch of entitled pieces of shit.
I'm pretty sure there is another organization pushing this and using the players to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
My main problem with this is that too many people don't give a shit about maintaining a fair playing field. As soon as we start letting players get paid for signing footballs down at the local car dealership, or for appearing on some crappy local grocery store tv commercial, MSU football is DEAD. We can't keep up with Bama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, and Florida NOW. You think it's going to happen when it's all above board?Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
My second problem is the complete lack of appreciation about what these guys DO get out of a full ride:
1) No tuition. Depending on the school, this can be several hundred thousand dollars they don't have to worry about. All they have to do is show up to class and pay attention.
2) Free room for their entire stay in college. Thousand of dollars in value.
3) Free books. This is worth at least $500 a semester in most places.
4) Free food. have you seen the layouts in the athletic centers at MSU? You think regular students get all that?
5) Opportunities to travel. Must suck to get a free trip to a bowl destination, plus a bunch of swag when you get there.
6) Monthly stipend. Oh yeah that's right. THEY ALREADY GET PAID. They just want more.
7) Free health care for the duration of their stay.
I'm tired of listening to these crybabies whine about how exploited they are.
Oh yeah, if this happens say goodbye to any football program not in the P5. This will limit the opportunities of tons of kids who could have landed at a smaller college and gone to school for free but oh well sucks to be them I guess.
I think the term "billionaire" can be used to describe someone with more money than yourself these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
basicallyQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
That's a passionate, well laid out argument... Complete bullshit, but passionate.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
The real solution is for all players who don't want to play under the current system to be shown the door and we can then have college football with actual guys that want to be college students. For the rest, if the NFL wants them to have a place to develop, then the NFL needs to pay for a minor league system and quit freeloading off of just college ball. If college football was like college baseball you wouldn't have this problem with a bunch of guys who are already getting tens of thousands of dollars through tuition, room and board and stipends but yet aren't satisfied and want more. If a football player wants to play college he goes to college. If he just wants to play ball and an NFL team is willing to pay him to develop in their farm system then he should be able to go there. College football make the money they do because of a built in loyal fanbase of alumni and sidewalk fans. That fanbase would still be there no matter who the players are.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
Dead on, complete BS. Colleges offer kids an absolutely free education, room and board plus stipend to come play football for the school. If the player doesn't want to come he doesn't have to. He doesn't have to even go to college, heck he can go work at his local grocery store if he wants. The fact that the NFL USES colleges as their FREE farm system is an issue with the NFL, not the colleges.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
There is a super easy fix here.
Allow the NFL to draft directly out of high school. Let them create a minor league.
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Originally Posted by Dawgology
Ha, Yeah I'll take some of that abuse these poor oppressed people are getting. 150-250K worth of college education, free meals, BMOC treatment, etc. Who are the entitled ones? They are training to be the next pro-whining players. Send them straight to the pros.
Yep if you think the rich are someone else, think again, the rich are now the middle class. Coming for all of you and me next.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
That has been my stance for a while now. The days of the pros using colleges as their free farm system need to be over. College baseball is the best model we have of a true amateur college sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Instead they only get ~100k for 4 years and they are unreasonable for asking for more than 5% of the cut that they generate. (Also lmao at how much goes to tuition which is already extremely overpriced.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
Smells like a load of barnacles to me.
Also lol at trying to compare the people who make peanuts too and think that's specifically who they want to take money from. Clearly they are pointing to the coaches and ncaa officials who make hand over first not the ****ing waterboy.
Have some common sense that they are asking for a fair cut by drastically reducing the 0.1%'s take. It's the same as every idiot on here that thinks the middle class is screwed by someone like bernie's taxes. Rather pay 10+% of your paycheck for your healthcare than have your tax increases 4% and get free healthcare in the name of freedom. Think that the higher taxes is an attack on you when it's scaled to attack the rich (read: not you). Hilarious. If you can't produce 10 million liquid right now then you aren't the rich. You're a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. Wait, no you just think that. You're actually just a poor sheep who would has no idea about economics.
Attacking the workers for asking for a fair cut of the product that they produce is wholly stupid. Every day the college degree loses more value while costing more and more. Imagine if you got a negative inflation pay cut every year while your company considerably made extra money. You'd be an idiot to defend those actions thinking they have your best interest at heart.
Instead they only get ~100k for 4 years and they are unreasonable for asking for more than 5% of the cut that they generate. They are asking for 50%, not 5%. Again the math doesn’t work.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Bernie’s tax plan for free healthcare doesn’t work. For just his first 10 years you are looking at $34-36 Trillion. The tax increase falls short in dollars and years. Not to mention that’s just for 10 years, does he not plan to fund it after that? Of course he does but simply, the math doesn’t work. Progressive economists have stated the same. So then you run a very high deficit to fund the program and both the CBO and JCT models hate the government running a deficit. Especially over an extended period of time with the GDP taken a down turn, workers salaries stagnate at best, etc. Let’s not forget all the other free programs he intends to fund, where will that money come from without additional taxes on everyone making over $30,000 per year? Don’t care that you like the plan or absurdly think it’s a good idea, the math doesn’t come close to working.
Every job I’ve ever had I agreed to terms before I accepted. At any point during my employment if I didn’t like the conditions, policies, people or compensation I was free to leave. Nobody ever forced me to do anything against my will. That’s what’s great about this country, if you don’t like the job you are free to leave at anytime and find somewhere else to be. Seems very simple to me.
The players knew what they were getting into and how they would be compensated before they ever signed the LOI. If they aren’t satisfied it’s on them for accepting the deal to start with.
wouldn’t title 9 make it illegal unless all female athletes on scholarship were also compensated?
Anyone who would compare playing college football to a job is delusional. On any given Friday night in the fall in any given town in the south, there are 50+ kids in one place who would jump at the opportunity to play college football without pay. Find that for any realistic job in America. I would have done anything to play D1 football as three of my family members did. I would have done it without scholarship money. But maybe I'm stupid. I would not do my current job for less than I make now, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248