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06-09-2020, 09:32 PM
BuckyIsAB****

The Stack

The SEC is a whole new world but I feel pretty good with Arnett. Rocky Long is a stack OG so you know they have seen a lot and adjusted to a lot. Little known but Arnett did not call a lot of plays on defense at SDSU but there was a reason he was highly sought after.

I have played with it a little here and there and I am no SEC DC but IMO, if we ?break the stack? and be like Iowa St on defense we will be the most fun team to watch in the country. Joe Lee used to break the stack a lot, it allows you to get in multiple fronts not just the traditional 3-3 look. Some guys swear by that but I would be on the ISU model. If Arnett is a true stack guy then we will be pretty vanilla in the secondary but blitz a lot. Fred Peters and Marcus Murphy will be big time in this scheme and you heard it it here but Tre Lawson has a shot at All SEC honors. If we can find 2 NTs and Thompson be the 2017-2018 version we have a shot. The biggest thing is going to be can a freshman or juco guy besides Lawson be ready to go in September not November. The best player on the defense has to be your Sam LB and the dog safety. They are both going to have to do multiple things and line up in multiple positions. All 11 have to be good but if I could pick where I wanted to be the best I would pick those 2
06-09-2020, 09:41 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

Jordan Davis is the Juco guy who will make the biggest impact IMO.
06-09-2020, 09:50 PM
Homedawg

Tre Lawson all sec??? Wow. That's out on a limb in a huge way... he might be out third best juco.
06-09-2020, 09:52 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Tre Lawson all sec??? Wow. That's out on a limb in a huge way... he might be out third best juco.

He is legit legit
06-09-2020, 09:54 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Jordan Davis is the Juco guy who will make the biggest impact IMO.

Between him and Lawson we could be really good at the S and Will backer spots. Both of them can put their hands down and play a 5 or wider tech too. We will need to find some 4i guys besides Jones and Spencer. I?m not sure Spencer is built for that tbh but he is one with SEC experience
06-09-2020, 09:57 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

He is legit legit

I like your insight on stuff but no, he's not all sec. he's going to get thrown in the fire Bc we have no other choice. But he won't be all sec this year. And yes I've seen him
06-09-2020, 10:08 PM
Homedawg

We have a big issue at the NT or 1, we have Pickering there , who might be better served at a 3. In a 4 man front. We are going to be versatile, the 3-3-5 will be a 4-2-5 depending on personnel. Losing Lovett hurts inside no matter how you slice it
06-09-2020, 10:33 PM
SmokeyDawg

Where will Crumedy play?
06-10-2020, 01:54 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by SmokeyDawg

Where will Crumedy play?

That will be interesting. I feel like he would be better suited to slim down and move to end in this defense but we need so much help at NT that he may be forced to play there. Of course with the loss of Russell we aren't stacked at end any more either. I read earlier in the year that Russell was going to be playing the OLB position (possibly) so maybe they feel comfortable with what they have at end. Who knows.
06-10-2020, 02:20 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by SmokeyDawg

Where will Crumedy play?

I expect DE behind Spencer.
06-10-2020, 02:21 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by Jarius

That will be interesting. I feel like he would be better suited to slim down and move to end in this defense but we need so much help at NT that he may be forced to play there. Of course with the loss of Russell we aren't stacked at end any more either. I read earlier in the year that Russell was going to be playing the OLB position (possibly) so maybe they feel comfortable with what they have at end. Who knows.

Demonte was playing the Hybrid OLB spot that Davis & Lawson are playing. It's time for Aaron Odom to step up & be a 2 deep rotation player.
06-10-2020, 03:52 PM
Todd4State

I'm expecting us to have a year similar to 1996 when we first installed Joe Lee Dunn's defense. We may have some rough games here and there- we gave up 49 or something like that to Auburn and 30+ to La Tech in a game we lost to them- but I think as the year goes on we will see improvement- beat Alabama holding them to 16 and shut out Ole Miss in Oxford.

It all comes down to the JUCO guys once again for us. Hopefully they're more like 1998-1999-2017 and not like 2001. I think Davis is legit and Lawson will be solid. We may have to start Kyle Cass at safety but I think he is underrated. We have some freshmen that hopefully will help us out depth wise- Armondous Cooley on the DL, Janari Dean at DOG, Decamarion Richardson at S, and Emmanuel Forbes at CB. I'm not expecting any of those guys to start besides maybe Richardson. I'm just not sure that CJ Morgan will be healthy enough to play a lot this year.

We could maybe look at moving Lawson to DE for depth or in case Spencer or Jones struggle and then start Aaron Brule at EDGE/OLB. Personally I still think I would use Murphy at safety and not DOG because I think he is better in coverage than our other guys competing at that spot and I think we have more depth at DOG than safety plus DOG is an easier position to fill IMO. Especially is JP Purvis is healthy. Tyrus Wheat could start at EDGE/OLB too- we need to get him on the field as much as possible.
06-10-2020, 03:53 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Demonte was playing the Hybrid OLB spot that Davis & Lawson are playing. It's time for Aaron Odom to step up & be a 2 deep rotation player.

I agree on Odom. He was very productive in high school and I'm not sure why it hasn't translated to college.
06-10-2020, 03:54 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Jarius

That will be interesting. I feel like he would be better suited to slim down and move to end in this defense but we need so much help at NT that he may be forced to play there. Of course with the loss of Russell we aren't stacked at end any more either. I read earlier in the year that Russell was going to be playing the OLB position (possibly) so maybe they feel comfortable with what they have at end. Who knows.

I bet we roll with Cameron Young and Cooley at the NT spot for this year at least.
06-10-2020, 03:54 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by SmokeyDawg

Where will Crumedy play?

I know he was a redshirt freshman last year but he seemed to stay hurt. It might have only been the perception.
06-10-2020, 04:06 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I bet we roll with Cameron Young and Cooley at the NT spot for this year at least.

You mean as backups?
06-10-2020, 04:18 PM
KOdawg1

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Demonte was playing the Hybrid OLB spot that Davis & Lawson are playing. It's time for Aaron Odom to step up & be a 2 deep rotation player.

I forgot Odom was on the team. Yeah, we need him to step up in a big way. We really don't have anyone else behind K. Jones and Spencer. I feel good about Crumedy even though he's a little heavy. I don't think King Ani will be ready in time. Jack Harris has his issues. Any chance Jevon Banks plays some? That's scary.
06-10-2020, 04:19 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I forgot Odom was on the team. Yeah, we need him to step up in a big way. We really don't have anyone else behind K. Jones and Spencer. I feel good about Crumedy even though he's a little heavy. I don't think King Ani will be ready in time. Jack Harris has his issues. Any chance Jevon Banks plays some? That's scary.

I think you have to throw Odom & Harris our there sporadically & let them swim or drown.
06-10-2020, 04:23 PM
KOdawg1

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I think you have to throw Odom & Harris our there sporadically & let them swim or drown.

Probably should've gone after a true DE in Juco for depth in this last class.
06-10-2020, 04:34 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

You mean as backups?

Yes!
06-10-2020, 04:35 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I think you have to throw Odom & Harris our there sporadically & let them swim or drown.

So you're saying Harris is back? I'm good with it if true. And agree on the sink or swim part. These guys have to perform at some point.
06-10-2020, 04:41 PM
KOdawg1

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

So you're saying Harris is back? I'm good with it if true. And agree on the sink or swim part. These guys have to perform at some point.

I'm afraid Harris is undersized. I've stood next to him and I remember thinking he wasn't as tall as listed. May be wrong though. I always thought he was better suited at LB
06-10-2020, 04:47 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Probably should've gone after a true DE in Juco for depth in this last class.

Who knew we'd be running a 3-3-5 at the time.
06-10-2020, 04:48 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Yes!

I expect Young & Love to be the backups unless Cooley is just a man from the jump.
06-10-2020, 04:49 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I'm afraid Harris is undersized. I've stood next to him and I remember thinking he wasn't as tall as listed. May be wrong though. I always thought he was better suited at LB

Have to hope he's a Willie Evans type. We're talking about 3rd team reps from him so it's not much we're asking from him.
06-10-2020, 04:56 PM
KOdawg1

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I expect Young & Love to be the backups unless Cooley is just a man from the jump.

Idk when he gets his shot, but he's a stud. He's not the tallest but he's quick.
06-10-2020, 07:56 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I think you have to throw Odom & Harris our there sporadically & let them swim or drown.

What do you think about King Ani? I hear almost nothing about him. He was a composite 4 star who was hurt during his redshirt year.
06-10-2020, 08:09 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by Jarius

What do you think about King Ani? I hear almost nothing about him. He was a composite 4 star who was hurt during his redshirt year.

He's just so raw.
06-10-2020, 08:31 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I'm afraid Harris is undersized. I've stood next to him and I remember thinking he wasn't as tall as listed. May be wrong though. I always thought he was better suited at LB

I don't doubt that you're right about him being undersized but I see him as a back-up role player mostly anyway.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I expect Young & Love to be the backups unless Cooley is just a man from the jump.

I'm sure they will to start probably but I think Cooley has a much higher upside and I love his work ethic. I've found that a lot of times those people end up outworking and moving past those in front of them so it may be midseason by the time he is the primary back-up but I think it happens. Like Pickering last year.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

He's just so raw.

I agree. And then he got hurt on top of that which didn't help much.
06-11-2020, 10:16 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

We have a big issue at the NT or 1, we have Pickering there , who might be better served at a 3. In a 4 man front. We are going to be versatile, the 3-3-5 will be a 4-2-5 depending on personnel. Losing Lovett hurts inside no matter how you slice it

It wont necessarily be 5 DBs it will be hybrid types so in some cases it is really a 4-4-3 but 2 of those backers are Fred Peters/JP Purvis types. 3 true DL a Jack (stand up DE to the field probably) and 2 true ILBs
06-11-2020, 10:20 AM
BuckyIsAB****

Banks and Cooley can both play. They are better than Odom Harris and the kid from Louisville. Just my opinion.

If we get into the 3 safety look that Iowa St does, Auburn did it some last year as well, we are going to be the most unique team in the country and a headache to prepare for
06-11-2020, 10:31 AM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

It wont necessarily be 5 DBs it will be hybrid types so in some cases it is really a 4-4-3 but 2 of those backers are Fred Peters/JP Purvis types. 3 true DL a Jack (stand up DE to the field probably) and 2 true ILBs

I feel like that's just semantics, they're still DB's. Peters, Purvis, Murphy, Morgan or whoever the strong/free safeties and "Bulldog"/nickel will be are safeties, not backers and against 11 personnel will be in coverage more than anything else.

I just don't see this being JLD-style, Cooper and Nelson at the LOS blitzing the QB or stuffing the run more than they are in coverage. Every team on our schedule will be 3 wide and we don't have the corners to go cover 0. If we are, we better lead the league in turnovers forced otherwise we're in huge trouble.
06-11-2020, 11:53 AM
Todd4State

Arnett and San Diego State were able to shut down people like UCLA and Hawaii who run spread stuff and in the case of UCLA has significantly more talent. San Diego State didn't have Alabama talent to work with. We won't be 2018 good or deep but I have a feeling we'll be Ok.