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He recruited two 4 star players during his time at MSU. They both just transferred.
I know that coaches have to build bonds with players, but it also has to be about MSU and your teammates, too.
To me, Danzler's text is evidence that wasn't the type of coach TBuck was.
JJ was a 4*. Who else? Lovett was a 3. Reese was a 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1bigdawg
How many players he actually recruit in put in the league? I feel like Hughes has had more. Wasn't Hughes coaching Banks when he won Thorpe award? Or was that Townsend?
Townsend. Outside of 2018 I've always thought Townsend was better CB coach than TBuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by trojandawg
2018 we had Simmons and Sweat getting to the QB and a safety that receivers feared. It made every other position group look better than they really were.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I agree. But corners did play pretty well that year. Especially against Bama. But I do attribute that to Shoop a good bit also. Abrams and Willie with deep front 4 made that D what it was tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by hailstate17
Danzler?s text...please tell me more about this or point me in the right direction.
We're paying the price for changing coaches 3 times in 3 years.
The Cannizzaro and Moorhead hires were simply inexcusable by Cohen.
Hard to fathom that Moorhead could sow so much cancer into a program in such a short amount of time.
I agree Gun. Lot of coaching turnover and coaches looking out for themselves too. When you a student and see the coaches doing the bizness side more than any loyalty side ... what do you expect from players. Especially now since babysharks are all-in with $$$ once again. No doubt in my mind that is what swayed JJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Really I think we're back to Freeze vs Mullen part II. Kiffin good analogy to Freeze, Leach good one for Mullen. Recruiting fixing to revert back to that era too from 2012 thru about '14 or so.
I don't think this has a ton to do with Kiffin honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I think this a rare combo of Moorhead culture, Ole Miss boosters, coaching change, a diva, and a kid having friends at OM
Kiffin isn't Freeze and won't be emboldened to cheat like this. Freeze and Kiffin's personalities aren't similar.
I'll buy that about Kiffin not being quite the snake Freeze was but ... I do think he'll look the other way while boosters are doing it. And they back at it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
ETA: Kiffin will do it more like Saban does this time around.
Maybe, but I don't think Kiffin will directly participate and direct like Freeze did.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Plus, Kiffin isn't a hypocrite that's going to try and sell something he's not.
Bama had better athletes and we held our own. That was coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Um same coaches this year and huge drop off. That was the most talented defense we ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
I believe Reese was a 4 star at one point. TBuck's recruiter rep started when we got him after Florida said they did not have room.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Did yall watch the MCB Against UL? That was most wide open I have seen receivers in years...if he was any good Mullen would have taken him to Florida.
Not even close to the most talented. Marginal talent and piss poor attitude all year.Quote:
Originally Posted by trojandawg
He's talking about 2018.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
I'm not sure, but I think yall are talking about different years? 18 was one of the most talented D years. Talent at every level with 3 first round draft picks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
Yes, this please.
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Originally Posted by Bobby Ricigliano
Cam said, "you see what happens when you let a GREAT DB coach go?" .Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Harbor
Jarian's reply, "!!!! You said something then Brudda".
Disagree with point #2. Both were fine hires. No way Cohen could have predicted either coach's problems. The Moorhead hire was seen nationally as a good hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
What a good AD has to do is take care of the problems, and Cohen did VERY quickly. Fired Cann three games into a season (after making a Super Regional the year before) and fired Moorhead after just two seasons (and making bowl games in both). Quick decision making like that hasn't happened at State before (or at least for decades). Our previous ADs tended to linger and linger to give coaches 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances. Croom got 5 seasons. Even Rick Ray got 3.
Then Cohen went and hired two better coaches. Plus he has hired quality coaches in other sports (volleyball, softball, women's basketball).
I agree with your points #1 and #3.
You don't know the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by MedDawg
Cohen didn't do his homework on Canny. Mainieri had problems with Canny when he was at LSU that would've prevented Cohen from hiring him, but Cohen never called Mainieri.
There were a bunch of red flags that Cohen didn't know about because he had a bad relationship with Paul
I will give Cohen credit for seeing his mistakes & taking immediate action though. That's certainly a strong suite of him & I'll also say that the Lemon & Leach hires are of far greater quality than Canny & Moorhead. I think Cohen thought he knew what a great coach was before coming an AD, but has quickly been humbled & realized that it's probably best to not try & outsmart the room.
He's certainly gotten better in that regard. Our baseball program is strong enough to sustain the Canny hire, but I'm ready for our football program to have some stability again. Joe was awful.
There was a reason why Tulane didn't hire Cannizzaro I'll leave it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
All good points. I was a big fan of Joe because I"m also a Penn State grad/fan. I was excited when we hired him and was one of the last to finally want him gone (he did have a tougher SOS than Mullen did). Now I see how undisciplined the team became in just two years. It wasn't even a "players getting arrested in town" kind of thing. The team played sloppy and several good players (even upperclassmen who flourished under Mullen) became overweight and slower.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Now that Leach is installing discipline, there will be players who will leave. Interesting, because I didn't previously know that about Leach, but he had a lot of players leave when he took over at TT and WSU.
I had doubts when Leach let go some of our 'treasured' assistants, even though that's common with new coaches anywhere. Now I'm GLAD that Leach let those coaches go and brought his people with him from Washington State. I'm excited for our football future under Leach (and Arnett).
Jomo had weak ass SOS compared to Mullen's 11 thru 15 and 2017 years. LSU and Bama this year and that's about it. And Bama now ain't near Bama then. The West was way tougher 1 the 7 when Mullen was here. And in 2017 we played Ga in East.Quote:
Originally Posted by MedDawg
I'm ready for Leach to get his players in too. Looks like most of the problems are purged or declared for the NFL draft last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by MedDawg
There's a reason prior staffs did not want commits or prospective recruits visiting Oxford. Impossible to keep them out during a lock down but when that ends . . . . . . .
"Played Ga" is being kind. We showed up, I'll give you that. That was an embarrassing ass kicking, the kind Kirby routinely gives Mullen.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
It was a tweet, not a text. He also tweeted some stuff about playing for a coach, not a school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Harbor
Rebel alertQuote:
Originally Posted by FoggyBottom
Jones is blaming the Leach tweet now. Story will change again in a week. He missed the coddling and the attention. Now he can get mossed on everyday by Mingo in practice like he did at NWR
I'm not sure Mingo is good enough to do thatQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Yeah..he is. Biggest miss we have had since Cam. He will be in the NFLQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Seeing him on the field last year in the Egg Bowl, I didn't see that type of ability or athleticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I may be wrong, but he's doesn't look like that type of player
Maybe bc they have a QB who can?t throw? State, OM, UF, UGA all saw it in him. He punked JJ on a regular basis just like he punked Bamas DBs last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Has nothing to do with the QB. Has to do watching him move & run. He doesn't look like a star to me. Just looks like another SEC WR.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
That's what I saw. Again, may be wrong but I didn't see the burst, twitch, & speed to be a star.
Rolling my eyesQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Yea ... won't argue much. Will say tho that was Kirby's best ever Ga team and it was at their place. Plus ... we were still too high from waxing LSU. But yea, we got our butt handed to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
Yea ... Mingo is gonna be pretty good I think too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****