You have 250 pounds centers and 250 pounds guards. I graduated in 1984 and was 220 pounds. I wasn't an offensive lineman.
You have 250 pounds centers and 250 pounds guards. I graduated in 1984 and was 220 pounds. I wasn't an offensive lineman.
And lineman certainly weren't 6'5" or 6'6" (or more) like so many are now.
If my memory is correct, Herschel was bigger than a couple of his offensive lineman.
Stan Black in the early '70's wasn't very big, but he'd check your oil for you.
When the gym was open I talked to his brother almost everyday. It is obvious he misses him.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
Yeah, players were smaller in some areas but in others they were still some big dudes. Johnnie Cooks, Billy Jackson, Tyrone Keys, Glen Collins could have played in an era as could many others Mardy McDole, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
The 90s though brought some meat with JWS teams. He had some athletes big time.
Stan was my cousin, our mother's were sisters. I didn't know him that well but it's still nice to see others still remembering him.
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Kent Hull in his first game was right at 200 lbs...
The Mugshots in Pearl has his photo framed with a jersey with his number hanging on the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rock
Sweet, Thanks. If I am down that way, I may just check that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Beat me to it. Kent Hull played as a freshman at 200 lbs, and the guy was a beast even then. Of course he did grow into a nice sized young man! Amazing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
Billy Jackson was 190.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
remember it was mid-80s before a OLineman could use his hands . That to me was 1 main reason for bigger linemen. Back then you actually had to block some body-not hold them.
Watching the florida vs GA game the lineman always chopped blocked. They also all had J Pads on hands and arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
OK, I never said how much any of them weighed just that they could play in any era regardless of size. I think Johnnie Cooks was a pretty good size for LB though.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
I saw guys from the 91-92 team often back in the day. Anyway, a few were tall but not many. But all linemen but thick.
Btw, I saw Phil Fulmer in Stuttgart. He is about 6ft but about 6ft Wide and has hands like catchers mits. Not tall but a Big dude.
I think the strength and conditioning has progressed to the point where they can almost make super-athletes out of giant people. Not all necessarily. But with training you can definitely become bigger, faster, stronger and more athletic. Then it's about having the God given measurables. I think football at some positions is become more and more about length at some positions like wide receiver and also about being big enough to take punishment while at the same time being athletic to perform at an elite level.
Knew Matt Edwards who played guard in 79/80 and would be a LB size today.
All those linemen had to be able to run also. That is one reason they were not huge. They had to be able to pull and run down the field in Bullard's offense.
Fred Collins was bigger than Bill Bell. Fred and Bill are still the same size today.
Remember when Refrigerator Perry came on the scene for the Bears he was an oddity at being over 300lbs. Now you have high school kids bigger than him as sophomores.
I was lucky enough to call Stan a friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
I think OL Sam Nichols back in the early 70's was the first linemen to break the 250 barrier and everybody thought he was a giant. Even as recent as the 1998 team the guys were "small" with our D-line averaged only 270 or so. Times have changed, will there be 400 pounders playing the game in 2050 (assuming a virus hasn't shut down the sports world)?
I think Ricky Williams just scored another touchdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaleofTwoDogs
I played HS ball at a tiny school in Mississippi 40 years ago. It was something to have a 200 pounder on the line back then. Now the same tiny school will almost always have one or two 300 pounders.
He had to have been closer to 400 than 300 even then.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
Sam Nichols a name from long ago. I would go to Biloxi high games as a kid with family and they had seats next to Sam's father, reserved seats back then for a HS football game. He was a man among boys in HS in the early 70's.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaleofTwoDogs
Yea, I went to Biloxi High during the time Sam played, he was best friends with Jim Touchet who played for Biloxi Notre Dame and was an OL for State. Unfortunately, after graduating from State, Jim was killed during a Navy air fighter training flight. Jim was a great guy and Bulldog.Quote:
Originally Posted by redstickdawg
Dammit, don't remind me of that freezing, raining day I sat in the Cotton Bowl and watch him run wild on our D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
I was playing high school football the year they allowed O-Linemen to use their hands(either 86 or 87 can't remember the exact year). Anyway, I played the wing in our Wing-I set, and I would have to block DE's and LB's from time to time, so I'd sometimes do blocking drills with the OL. I remember being taught to throw a flipper first. We'd do these on the seven man sled. I remember that first practice when our coach was explaining we could now use our hands. We were all excited. Also, back in the 80's a 170 pound white boy defensive back(me) could legitimately dream of playing in the SEC. Now, that is nothing put a pipe dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Jim was a Marine. I remember when he was killed we were in spring training at Notre Dame and Touchets cousin was trying to figure out how to tell Coach Hegwood that he had been killed. Dam near gave him a heart attack when he was told.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaleofTwoDogs
The Center at my high school our Senior year (1990) was 145 lbs. He spent one night knocking a 325 Lb 5 star DLs dick in the dirt. It was glorious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
back when the forearm shiver was force to deal with.
C.R. Hegwood my HS coach, retired right before spring training when I was a junior. We (NDHS) were playing against schools that today would be classified as 5&6 A with a 1A enrollment.Quote:
Originally Posted by parabrave
[QUOTE=redstickdawg;1250145]C.R. Hegwood my HS coach, retired right before spring training when I was a junior. We (NDHS) were playing against schools that today would be classified as 5&6 A with a 1A enrollment.[/QUOTEHegwood retired my soph year. Oh yeah we, Notre Dame, played the big schools back then, beat some of them too.I loved Bayles. That was a hard ass SOB.
You're right, Jim was a Marine not Navy, my memory isn't as good as it use to be. Seems like a life time ago. RIP Jim.Quote:
Originally Posted by parabrave