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We don't have the WRs for him to make a Burrow type run, unless Heath turns into He man, but I could seem him being compared to Herbert if everything clicks. Mid 1st rounder maybe
Sell. We need wr to step up significantly and Costello hasn't been able to practice with them to get in rhythm. I think that if everything had gone as planned then yes.
Good points. Costello is extremely bright & Leach's offense is apparently easy to learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLostDawg
It will rest on our WRs though.
This is hard. You've got a lot of teams with temporary QB situations next year or have aging QBs. Bears, Broncos, Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Colts, Patriots, Lions, and Steelers all come to mind as ones that might would take one first round.
I'll say sell. I think he's the 5th QB off the board and goes 2nd round.
Hard sell
Sell, but I say 2-3rd round.
Same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
I'll short that investment vehicle...
I don't think we really know what we have with our team. I think suspensions, lack of discipline, and poor S&C cost us three games last year- K-State, Tennessee, and the Music City Bowl. I think it also skews our opinions of what our talent level is. And yes, MSU fans are always wait and see conservative believe it till I see it people.
I also think the worst part of Moorhead's system was how he used our personnel with his belief in the "top five"- which basically limited us unnecessarily. Especially when it relied on our top three WR's which was a weakness in our team. It limited how we used guys like Aeris Williams and Nick Gibson. Kylin catches the ball as well or better than some of our receivers. Why not use Hill in the slot some or even outside some when you don't lose a lot with Aeris or Gibson at RB?
With Leach we're going to get more guys touches. That's only going to benefit us as the best offenses I have seen IMO all spread the ball around to all eligible receivers and runners.
Sell.
Doubt there's any college football this fall, and he isn't a current 1st
The vast majority of AD's disagree with you. About football this fall. Not Costello.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The fact that the country is about to start opening up gradually soon makes me side with the AD's.
I really wanna be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Sell...not buying. We don't have the wr and who knows when he gets to start syncing with the wr's we have..
I dunno ... Most times I read these boards a lot folks saying 8 min and 10 max. And that's in years where there's practically no way. Despite the fact that we've only had a 10 win season 3 or so times in our history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I was thinking 3rd while ago and maybe with really good year 2nd. But more I think about it ... Too many variables so I'm saying 3rd to 5th if he don't get hurt.
Sell
Sell. 4th round
10 wins is "special" for us. But we have been consistently winning 8 games a year. And now a down year for us is 6-6. That's pretty good relative to our history. If we maintain 8 wins in a typical year for us getting to 9-10 really isn't a stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I normally give a range because there are always toss up games that can go one way or the other. I think our floor is about 6 wins and 10 is probably our ceiling. There's just more unknown with this team than other years.
I'm talking reg season now ... no bowls. I think that's doable but it historically hasn't been likely. We won 9 once and 10 once under Mullen. Last year people were off-the-charts on our potential with a new unproven QB, a terrible coach, and decent turnover on Oline and Dlines. Made no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Going into this year (before COVID) folks thinking 9 or 10 wins in some cases with new coach/staff and many question marks at several positions. We have good QB coming in but, last time I checked, this ain't singles tennis or golf.
Sell, way too many unknowns for this years team. Chemistry will be the mystery with players and coaches not getting a chance to be around each other. Also not knowing who is working out and staying in shape plus guys who need rehab and there progress. I think the teams with new Coaches and with younger players on roster will have the biggest problems especially early.
I'm in the crowd with a wait and see with Leach, not that I don't think he is a bad Coach, but playing in the Sec and west division is by far the toughest league in the country. Leach has been good at other places but I wouldn't grade him great. Maybe this lay off benefits him to be driven and prove he can be a winner or maybe he has become secure and feeling relaxed at Key West thinking at 58 or 59 years what retirement feels like. Ain't many Saban's worried about retirement or the drive.
sell ... if he was that good he would have already declared for this year
Well, I might have had he not gotten hurt and actually played year.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Sell. Mid Rd. selection if he has a good year. The draft is stacked with QBs next year. Lawrence, Fields, Book, Ehlinger, Newman, Trask, Mond, Buechele, etc.. I'm not saying it's a great class, but there's just a bunch of QBs that Costello would have to jump. He'd need a Joe Burrow type season to be a 1st round pick.
He's more talented than all you listed except Lawrence & Fields. Your list actually makes me more convinced he has a real chance at being a 1st rounderQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Not true on him needing a Burrow type year. Jordan Love had a bad year & still went in the 1st round.
Lawrence & Fields will both be top 5 picks & that sets the stage for 1-2 more QBs to go in the 1st round. Costello likely has the most raw talent of any of those other options
Book, Ehlinger, Trask, & Buechele are clearly not near as talented.
I'm not as sure on Mond & Newman. Mond has always confused me & I haven't see Newman play much
Sell - I think he's a good college QB but not sure he's an elite NFL prospect. However you never know exactly what they look for as the hype machine can go up and down. Look at Burrow vs. Fromm for example.
Found this article & it kinda lays out his draft status as it stood before he was injured.
It's just tough to say due to how bad the NFL is at evaluating QBs.
So long as he stays healthy, Costello will put up big numbers & throw the ball often along with being the most talented QB Leach has coached.
Odds are he won't be a first rounder. That's the safe pick. However, I think there is a path there.
https://withthefirstpick.com/2019/06...020-nfl-draft/
Remember when I said Fromm wasn't a 5 star?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
I was right.
Such an odd statement. Fromm is about to be an nfl qb 3 years out of HS. And he wasn't a 5-star to start withQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Oh, we're doing this again? Geez. The guy hasn't played a single down for us. Hell, we probably won't even have football in the fall.
We're having football in the fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
Maybe. But if we do, I'm not sure there will be people in the stands. Hope you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Relax. We're just spit balling.Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
Stop being so damn serious.
I say nfl will, bit I think college is hardly a givenQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Not gonna happen. Book itQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
You're right about how bad the NFL is at evaluating QBs. Even first rounders are coin flips at best. After that, finding a quality starting QB in the draft is like hitting the lottery.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
With that said, I think Costello has a few things working in his favor:
1) He "looks" like an NFL QB, meaning he's big, tall, and has a strong arm. That still matters.
2) He'll (presumably) have two coaches attest to his leadership abilities and ability to read defenses. I've heard glowing remarks from Shaw about these two things and I'm going to assume Leach will agree.
3) He'll (presumably) have put up really productive numbers in two different systems and at State people will no doubt say he did it "where he didn't have a lot of help around him". The advancement of the Air Raid in the NFL has helped shake the "system QB" issue faced by people like Mahomes in the past.
4) He'll be doing whatever he does in "the hardest division in football". This could obviously work against him if he's NOT productive, but we're assuming he is in line with other Leach QBs.
The ingredients are there, he/Leach/WRs just have to put it together. If we win 8 or 9 games and he throws for 4500 with 40+ TDs and 10 picks, I think he'll be a first rounder. Those numbers sound crazy but not in anyway outlandish relative to other Leach QBs.
Ditto. 2nd at best due to virus impact on year, perception of MSU (although coming from CML will help as will his career at Stanford). and potentially WR issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
He might be more talented that's a completely opinionated statement. But he's playing in the toughest division in the toughest league. He has to go to Alabama and to LSU. If he plays well there then he'll definitely put himself into that conversation. That's why I make the Burrow comparison. Going into the year, Burrow was a 6th round pick and most mock drafts have Costello as the same thing. Burrow went into Texas and lit them up, played well in home games against Florida and Auburn and then went to Tuscaloosa and played great. Costello will rise if we rise. 7-8 win season probably puts him in the 3-5 rd. range. He's not going to be a first rounder unless we have a very special season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
NFL certainly easier since they don't have to have 20-50K people on campus. Still up in the air but I heard other day some schools are already making plans to be open in fall. I'd say it is 75% right now school open in fall. If school is open, then there will be ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7