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I?m so ready for Leach year 3 when the team has a different attitude similar to the Mullen years. Right now the bad seeds are leaving. But even the guys that are staying, some of those guys are so entitled and starved for attention. Complain complain complain. Do these guys not understand they went 6-7 last year? That?s a losing record. That season was a failure. What does that entitle you to? I wish all our guys had Aaron Brule?s leadership qualities. Rant over
100%!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
MSU will have a talented roster but it has to be the right guys or we can't win
We’ll lose some but with every transfer, the opportunity opens up to get a “Leach guy”
What’s frustrating is that Joe created this and some of the transfers aren’t bad kids but rather players that didn’t learn the right way to do things at that critical point early their careers where habits are formed. I'm fully convinced that JoMo ruined some players' careers.
The complaining ads need for attention is an insecurity and a need for coddling.
I agree shotgun. The culture of the program eroded completely in 2 years. It’s currently being reinstated. In regards to Lovette in particular, dude was always out of shape and wasn’t adjusting to the current culture. Mark my words, that guy will gain 30-50 lbs before he gets to his new school and won’t be effective next year. He’s an NFL talent but I don’t see that coming to fruition.
agree here .... I wanna see some Dillion Day kinda attitude come back to this team
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
What's frustrating though is I believe if Lovett would've been under Mullen's culture or came in under Leach's culture, he may have "converted" to doing things the right way. Instead, it's highly likely that he'll never reach his ceiling simply because he started his career in his impressionable seasons under a poor culture with bad leadership.
We always used to get mad at Mullen for sitting guys like Josh Robinson & at times playing the lesser talented guy, but it should be clear to everyone at this point in time that there was a method to Mullen's madness with that & he was right.
The key is getting multiple Josh Robinson type players so that there is competition in practice & when you sit the guy that won't do right, you replace him with a similar talent. That's what drives Bama & Georgia
Exactly!! The only thing wrong right now is ?some? people are using Leaches tweet as an excuse to not make it be about them can?t cutting it.
I have also heard a couple QBs who have told some people they are leaving...
Yup. It's coming. It'll be here before you know it & with our increased WR & QB recruiting, I think we've got a chance to win bigger than we ever haveQuote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Then leave....Quote:
Originally Posted by TNDawg35
With Costello, Rogers, & now Robertson & Greek coming in, we're good at QB.
Leach has transformed that room in record time
Beast, I believe you are probably right about Lovett. However, he was primarily a "black shirt" during the short time he was in the Leach program. He is apparently not afraid to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
In regards to Lovett, does anyone know why he wanted to leave MSU (tweet isn't the reason)?
The rumor is he’s been getting shopped since JoMo leftQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
IDK if I believe that rumor because I doubt a player would be willing to sacrifice a year of eligibility for a little cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
Wouldn't make any sense from a career perspective
Anybody know who the starter is that is considering transferring?
Eiland would make some sense due to Lashley & Cross
There was going to be a mass defection after spring training. Many were waiting around to see where they were going fit in. Since no spring practice they are bolting. I do think a few will stay around that might have transferred. The tweet has nothing to do with guys being lazy and not wanting to change attitude ir sistem.. Just my dumbass opinion.
The rumor doesn’t involve the player himself getting anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I keep wondering if we'll pick up any Wazzou transfers.
Would be nice to have a few players on the roster that knew Leach's expectations & help set the culture
So the dad would sacrifice a year of the his son's eligibility for a few bucks?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
Also, the going rate for a 3 star DT that is losing a year of eligibility can't be much.
In fact, why would anyone pay for that all? Just go pay to get a JUCO guy with the same amount of eligibility & can play this coming season.
In December Lovett tweeted "I should have left Mississippi when I had the chance". That was after the Egg Bowl win and we had a bowl game still coming up. He has been looking to leave for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
I wonder what his issue is?Quote:
Originally Posted by MedDawg
He said that before Arnett's new scheme was hired, before JoMo was gone, & while he was a starter.
I'm just curious what his real reasons are
In hindsight of past cases, the handlers seeking paydays seem to lack the awareness to think any further ahead than the immediate cash prospect.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I agree, but I can't imagine there was any reasonably good money on the table for his services.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
3 star DT, serviceable starter but not a difference maker, losing a year of eligibility, & a track record of makeup concerns.
I can't imagine someone offering that guy much more than a month's rent
Fabian Lovett is a solid player but the type that any SEC program should be able to reasonably recruit without having to go through the hassle of buying a player on another team
Maybe buying a player like him from another program is cheaper than buying them on the open market during recruiting season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
If you assume that everyone is cheating and paying players, then it becomes a business value game. You would get less years of use for your investment but you would get more of a known product. How you value that ROI would depend on a lot of factors.
Yeah, but since it's cheaper, why would the player sacrifice a year of eligibility for cheap money?Quote:
Originally Posted by NWADAWG
I think there is more to this. I think he just wasn't happy at MSU for some reason that we don't know about
Maybe his teammates hated him? IDK
Interesting..... Leach "liked" this tweet.
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Leach is like Mullen in the sense that he really doesn’t care much what most people think. His methods are proven over the last 18 years. Count me as one who isn’t worried.
A new dodge charger is cheaper than a f150 king ranch. $30k is cheaper than $50k. I have never been recruited by an SEC team and don't know what cheaper and more are in SEC football reference but my guess is more than a couple hundred bucks. I would guess that more money is up front lump sums and less ongoing payments for players so maybe it's about getting another lump sum.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Also, the ROI goes both ways.
Maybe he doesn't like his odd of shining in the new scheme.
Maybe he doesn't like his odds against upcoming competition with limited interior line play.
Maybe he doesn't like Leach or one of the new assistants.
Maybe he doesn't like the stricter policies on and off the field.
Maybe he's a delusional kid that's had rainbow blown up his but his whole life and is now having trouble dealing with hard honesty.
Maybe he's a great kid that just wants a change.
Maybe some girl crapped on him and he wants to get away.
Maybe we told him to take a hike because we didn't like the ROI we were getting.
Who knows what all is contributing to him leaving? But most all life decisions are about risk and reward / ROI when you boil down to the bare truth. And yes, I understand that money is not the only thing that people invest. For some reason, he sees his ROI being better somewhere else and some school will make the deal.
I noticed that too. Maybe Leech's way of saying "see ya"??Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Who knows is correct, but let's remember that he was looking for a way "out of Mississipp" on December 7th.Quote:
Originally Posted by NWADAWG
He's not going to lose a year of eligibilty no matter how many times you post. He will be playing somewhere this season if we have a season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Maybe, maybe not. But anyone trying to buy him wouldn’t have known thatQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg